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O.C. lawsuit challenging Obama birthplace dismissed
October 29th, 2009, 10:58 am · 184 Comments · posted by Martin Wisckol, Politics reporter
U.S. District Judge David O. Carter this morning dismissed Laguna Niguel attorney Orly Taitz’s lawsuit which alleged that Barack Obama is not a natural-born citizen and so is not the country’s legitimate president.
Carter ruled that the federal courts do not have the constitutional powers to remove a sitting president - that only Congress has that authority.
“Plaintiffs’ request, asking this Court to sweep away the votes of over sixty-nine million Americans with the stroke of a pen and order a new election during which the country would be in a state of turmoil, ignores the Constitution’s processes and separation of powers that were developed by the founders,” Carter wrote in his ruling.
Carter also sharply criticized the conduct of attorney Taitz, calling her actions unethical and possibly illegal.
Taitz said that she would appeal the case. She dismissed Carter’s criticism of her behavior and said she suspects Carter’s ruling was the the result of pressure from the Obama Administration.
“Clearly there was pressure on Judge Carter,” said Taitz, who made a similar claim about a federal judge in Georgia, Clay Land, after he threw out a similar Taitz suit on Sept. 16.
Taitz argued that Obama was born in Kenya or possibly Indonesia - and that even if he was born in the U.S., he’s not a natural-born citizen because his father was Kenyan, or possibly because he abandoned his citizenship by moving to Indonesia.
Legal experts have generally considered natural-born citizens to be anyone who was born in the U.S., regardless of parents’ citizenship - but a specific definition is not given in the Constitution and the Supreme Court has never ruled on the matter.
Carter never got to the substance of this definition either, examining instead the federal courts’ powers under the U.S. Constitution to remove a sitting president and dismissing the case without going to trial.
“In order for Plaintiffs’ alleged injury to be fully addressed, Plaintiffs would have the Court intervene, upheave the results of a national election, declare the President illegitimate, shut down the functioning of the government of the United States, and leave this country defenseless,” Carter wrote.
“(I)n order to cure Plaintiffs’ perceived injury, the Court would need to wade deep into the waters of the President’s official duties–in fact, it would have to declare that the President could no longer perform any official duties. The separation of powers concerns implicated by this request are grave.”
After an extensive examination of the constitutional issues, Carter concluded:
“(O)n the day that President Obama took the presidential oath and was sworn in, he became President of the United States. Any removal of him from the presidency must be accomplished through the Constitution’s mechanisms for the removal of a President, either through impeachment or the succession process set forth in the Twenty-Fifth Amendment. ”
Carter also had harsh words for attorney Taitz.
“Taitz encouraged her supporters to contact this Court, both via letters and phone calls. It was improper and unethical for her as an attorney to encourage her supporters to attempt to influence this Court’s decision. Despite these attempts to manipulate this Court, the Court has not considered any outside pleas to influence the Court’s decision.
“Additionally, the Court has received several sworn affidavits that Taitz asked potential witnesses that she planned to call before this Court to perjure themselves. This Court is deeply concerned that Taitz may have suborned perjury through witnesses she intended to bring before this Court.”
Taitz denied both that she’d asked witnesses to perjure themselves and that she’d asked supporters to call Carter.
“That’s absolutely not true,” she said. “That’s outrageous. It’s defamation of character. That is complete garbage. I see from Land and Carter an attempt to assassinate my character.”
And finally, Carter, a former First Lieutenant in the U.S. Marines and recipient of a Bronze Star and Purple Heart for his combat service in Vietnam, appeared to take umbrage at the plaintiffs’ suggestion that he and federal judges who have dismissed similar lawsuits are unpatriotic.
“Plaintiffs have attacked the judiciary, including every prior court that has dismissed their claim, as unpatriotic and even treasonous for refusing to grant their requests and for adhering to the terms of the Constitution which set forth its jurisdiction.
“Respecting the constitutional role and jurisdiction of this Court is not unpatriotic. Quite the contrary, this Court considers commitment to that constitutional role to be the ultimate reflection of patriotism.”
Click here to read Carter’s 30-page ruling.
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Some judges do use their brains occasionally!
He also sharply criticized the conduct of attorney Taitz, calling her actions unethical and possibly illegal.
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Too bad Taitz doesn’t use HER brain.
Mark my words-she is on her way to getting disbarred. This is the SECOND federal court to spank her with sharp criticism (not to mention a $20K sanction) within the last 2 weeks.
State Bar Court-get ready for immenient litigation over Taitz’s law license.
Not just disbarred but, since she has encouraged enlisted servicepeople to join her cause, she may well be on her way to being charged with treason. If nothing else, she could eventually stripped of her US citizenship and deported.
As a practicing attorney for 30 years, I can say the judge wimped out. His decision needed to be like the statute of justice (blinds on not to be biased). Judge Carter looked at the consequences of his possible decision and made his ruling. Judge Carter could have delved into the legitimacy of the presidents election base on an alleged issue of election fraud. (It is done all the time- rmeber the months of recount based on possible voting fraud where Sen Franken finally was declared the winer). If Obama is not qualified he has defrauded the American voters. Judge Carter neds to find a new profession. He should also review his law text books about what is “void” an election wherein the person was not qualified legally) and what is voidable. He should also review his equitable powers of mandamus. He is nothing more than another polictical appointee spewing the party line.
May we assume that spelling and grammar were not on the BAR exam?
Why don’t you take up the case in another jurisdiction? Put your conviction where you mouth is.
What! You again??
As a “practicing attorney” (in what: Constitutional Law?) you should know Taitz had to present compelling evidence showing the president committed fraud. As a practicing attorney, you should know she has the burden of proof. I don’t believe it’s the job of the court to mandate a fishing expedition. The birthers should put their money where their mouths are: pay themselves for a fact finding investigation into the matter. Bring definitive proof of their absurd statements.
And stop using tax payers money and clogging the courts with your pathetic lawsuits. I have never been to law school and I wouldn’t present myself in front of a judge with the garbage Taitz has available herself. The woman is absolutely unprofessional.
I seriously doubt you are a lawyer. You have no understanding of the Constitution, separation of powers, or what was plead in this case. Your spelling and grammar is atrocious.
Aaaaah, just another birther. Well, good. Let’s oust Obama and put McCain in. I can hardly wait for him to give me and my fellow illegal alien friends a Comprehensive Immigration Reform or AMNESTY. You birthers think that with McCain in charge, things would be better. WRONG.
Do you suppose that an Obama attorney (Siddharth Velamoor of Perkins Coie) chosen by Carter to serve as one of his two official clerks, from Oct. 1, 2009, till Sept. 30, 2010, has anything to do with the judge’s wimping out? This was immediately prior to the October 5 hearing.
They have to make the California Bar Exam harder.
Practicing where? You are not the Joseph DiLeonardo who resigned from the California Bar with disciplinary charges pending??? After being disciplined twice before?
If you are, I suppose I will take Judge Carter’s legal credentials over yours.
Especially since your analysis requires that the judge bring in new issues that the plaintiff’s themselves do not raise in order to justify your desired result.
Carter’s certainly not saying Taitz’s lawsuit has no merit. I found it scary that he would let this matter ride because obama could not preform official duties Now I’m convinced this might be an legitimate lawsuit.
The fact that this really didn’t go to trial shows that it has no merit in the first place, because there is no way the court would remove the president. Further more, the judge doesnt have to say it, anyone can see it and only a fool would start to believe a word this crooked excuse for a lawyer has to say. The case has to be accepted by the court first before they can even argue any of the points. But it was dismissed because there was no point in arguing. Congress and the media are the only places where the issue will be discussed because the court has no reason to.
No, what he was saying is that the Constitution provides a process to unseat a sitting President, and courts cannot do so. The process is called impeachment.
The judge promised a hearing on the merits of the case. If you read the actual dismissal, you will see the document takes on a very frustrating tone.
For example: “In order for Plaintiffs’ alleged injury to be fully addressed, Plaintiffs would have the Court intervene, upheave the results of a national election, declare the President illegitimate, shut down the functioning of the government of the United States, and leave this country defenseless.”
I do remember NOT seeing the request in the plaintiff’s complaint to “upheave the results of a national election, declare the President illegitimate, shut down the functioning of the government of the United States, and leave this country defenseless.”
This was one of my ‘what bull crap’ moments when I read it. But there are many more.
Whaaah, whaaah, whaaah,
give it up, birthers. You lost and will continue to lose.
As I’ve seen this slur used alot on here lately, I’m curious what is “birthers”
brianguy says:
let’s face it, the guy punted. I’d love to see one federal judge step up and actually look at some hard evidence and give a real ruling someday.
OC says:
What hard evidence is there? This is at least the thrid lawsuit where no “hard evidence” has been presented.
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OK you two-read what the judge RULED.
NO EVIDENCE can be presented-hard or soft-because the court LACKS jurisdiction to take the case-the court couldn’t do ANYTHING even if what Taitz says is TRUE (which it is not).
Go read the 30 page ruling-it is clear ONLY the Congress can remove a sitting President form office-NOT a federal jusge or ANYONE else.
So the judge didn’t even look at the evidence.
Johnny: There *is* no evidence. Obama released his birth certificate almost two years ago; Hawaii has twice publicly affirmed that it is for real. Case is closed.
You’re a laughable oaf. Carter is all but saying that Taitz is trying to destroy this country. So please do continue to side with this foreign provocateur. I’m sure we’ll all be very interested in how you and Ms. Taitz will justify your maniacal desire to usurp the presidency of this country through the courts.
let’s face it, the guy punted. I’d love to see one federal judge step up and actually look at some hard evidence and give a real ruling someday.
What hard evidence is there? This is at least the thrid lawsuit where no “hard evidence” has been presented.
There is absolutely a wealth of hard evidence supporting the claim that Obama was born in Hawaii. Whether it be the official birth records on file, or the birth certificate shown by his campaign during the primaries, or the newspaper announcement of his birth, there is a huge amount of evidence supporting his legitimate right to the presidency, and no evidence supporting the claim that he is ineligible. If you disagree with Obama’s politics, go right ahead, but the fact of the matter is that he IS a US Citizen who was born in Hawaii and was definitely eligible for the presidency. On second though, keep at it. You’re further discrediting your party by tying it with this ridiculous “birther” movement.
Judge after judge after judge - same verdict - dismissal. We’ll be seing this same song over and over again until all of these frivolous lawsuits are over. I wish the birther crybabies could handle the truth, and we could bill their butts for all of the wasted court time - I’m sure it is in the 10’s of millions with all the BS going on all over the country. Everytime another judge dismisses, it sets another legal precident.
Yeah, so far only dismissals. The Chicago thuggery system works very well.
Having said that, every time the judicial system makes a ruling, we learn something else we can use on the next court battle.
We’ll get the answer some day. I’m not worried.
“Carter’s certainly not saying Taitz’s lawsuit has no merit.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH . . . . This is in effect EXACTLY what he said. I thought you right wingers loved the “TRUTH.”! Here is some TRUTH . . .
“(O)n the day that President Obama took the presidential oath and was sworn in, he became President of the United States. Any removal of him from the presidency must be accomplished through the Constitution’s mechanisms for the removal of a President, either through impeachment or the succession process set forth in the Twenty-Fifth Amendment.”
So what you are asking for is TREASON. You are TRAITORS if you support this lawsuit.
Amen to that!
Sign me up!
Ain’t gonna happen right-wingers. Orly Taitz loses America WINS!
Bull crap!
Uh, not to be confused with me, but that’s a bit of a stretch. Did you read the decision? Try that first before looking like a total loon.
Some people will believe anything.
Facts. The law operates based on facts.
Fact:
The governor of Hawaii certified that Obama’s birth certificate, issued in Hawaii, is authentic.
Case closed.
The Governor of Hawaii DID NOT certify that Obama’s birth certificate is authentic!! He clearly doesn’t have a Birth Certificate from Hawaii, but a Certificate of Birth. There’s a big difference. Anyone presenting a live child in Hawaii may receive a Certificate of Birth. There’s much evidence to prove that Obama is not a natural born citizen. He admitted this in 2004. The consequences of removal of him from office are so great, if Obama once again admitted that he wasn’t a natural born citizen, he would not be removed from office.
OMG. This is the craziest bit of self-delusion I’ve seen in a while.
He doesn’t have a birth certificate, but rather a “certificate of birth?” Do you even listen to yourself?
Hawaii does NOT give birth certificates to children not born in Hawaii. The governor DID say that she saw the original records and it confirms Obama was born in Hawaii, as the COLB proves. Foreign birth registrations get a DIFFERENT form and NEVER say the child was born in Hawaii; a foreign birth registration of a Hawaiian adoption — passed in 1982, by the way, when Obama was 21 — MUST include proof of where the foreign birth took place and LIST it on the form.
Obama’s BC says he was born in Honolulu. Case closed.
Obama is a natural born citizen. McCain, not so clear.
Truthsayer is right and many of you have not done any research. I was born in Hawaii and the long form birth certificate is like those of many states and cites the attending Dr, time & place of birth, hospital, and many other facts. The short form called a Certificate of Live Birth is very different with far less info and given to anyone who presents a living baby.
The “birthers” are not so interested in Obama as they are strict adherence to rules set down in the constitution. McCain also does NOT qualify as a “natural born citizen” even though the Senate said he did qualify. The Senate cannot override the constitution. “Natural born citizen” has very specific requirements. Do your research instead of just making stupid or ugly remarks.
There is one fact that is clear to all. Obama has spent $1.7 million on lawyers to keep his birth, passport, and all school records hidden. Why? It should be no problem, and a great deal cheaper, to just publish his records and make fun of the “Birthers”. There is a reason he is spending that amount of money.
I have always admired the Marines. It seems that this one is quite like the ones in Germany in 1933 who were easily intimidated and ignored their own fine constitution and hence came WW2 with its jackbooted thugs and , later, the Nuremburg trials..
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Bull crap! No such event ever happened. Get your facts straight.
I’d like to see his burfcertificate!
Eliz, by your comment, congrats, it seems that you have some little brain too.
Seriously!
While I seriously hope that all (realistically most) judges are fair, open-minded, compassionate, and un-biased, I know that far too many are corrupted by power. I am actually writing an article about all of the controversy and drama this has drawn out of the media. But since it is yet incomplete, please check out this story. It’s about a girl who hurt her finger at school and got PAID. I almost lost a finger, with WAY more blood and damage than this girl from work and got NOTHING. Not even medical bills. Worker’s comp is a complete joke…. when it doesn’t exist x_x
If you have twitter, twitter this away: http://bit.ly/2C0Bra
http://www.theweeklyupdates.com/our-life/19-year-old-girl-gets-37500-while-i-get-nothing/
If you want to sue obama. Sue him for all the debt he is putting america in.
Can we sue Bush too. He put us in even more debt.
No knock against Carter personally, but it appears he used the New Jersey judge’s brain to decide this one.
Judge Carter understands what a Marine sacrafices, seems to me all the hoopla here and across the nation would be settled with production of the documents that prove Obama is a legal president. Seems like an awful waste of money, courts & judges over something so simple, unless the truth hurts. Maddoff, Stanford, Banking, OC Sherrifs, I don’t put anything past our leaders!
Don, the birth certificate has been public knowledge since June 2008. It’s online. What are you waiting for?
You could show these nuts the actual document and they wouldn’t believe it. Don’t waste your time on them. Just be glad Taitz LOST! ahahahahahahahah
wrong zombie boy…that is a colb not a bc…you mindless liberals can follow the herd and believe the hype that they are one and the same…but they are not.
Anyone on here who believes and trys to sell them off as the same is either grossly uninformed…or a brainless zombie programmed by the liberals to believe whatever they are told to……
I challenge any liberal here to PROVE that a COLB and a BC are the same thing….you can’t…but I will be waiting any rubbish that you happen post just in case.
the blog squad is out in force
Sorry Reds ,but Hawaii has never issued a Birth Certificiate. NEVER has and never will. The ones from the hospitals are called “Certificate of Live Birth” and that is the long form. the Short form is called Certification of Live Birth.
Not every state calls their forms “Birth Certificates” - however many states call them Certificate of Live Birth.
Get your facts straight:
http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/9831/m1139416728.gif — original long forms from Hawaii, same hospital, same yearl and 1 day after Obama was born in that hospital.
See what it’s called? Not a Birth Certificate.
these are only given to the family by the hospital, and a record is sent by the hospital to the Department of health. IF YOU lose this version, the only VERSION you can get from the Department of Health is the Short Form.
Same here in the HUGE state of California — we’re issued “Certificates of Live Birth,” not “Birth Certificates.” And, there’s a damn lot of us.
It’s a case of pure semantics — each state has a different term for its official document of birth. In Hawaii and California the term is “Certificate of Live Birth.” The States of California and Hawaii do not issue anything called a “Birth Certificate.” Case closed.
How did we get so many nuts in this country?
…. they live in OC mostly.
And even here they are a dying breed…
Yes, it’s gotten much better. Remember that the OC was once home to such horrible republicans like Dornan [sic?]. It’s getting better and better every year. OBAMA rules.
Freedom of Speech.
We fed them, nurtured them and before you know it, many nutz.
Ummm….maybe this was an accidental slip by the writer, but in the second to last paragraph, it references this and similar cases as …lawsh*ts…”
I couldn’t agree more about this crazy case.
It’s about time. I’m a Republican and did not vote for Obama, but this nut case doesn’t have a case. What a monumental waste of time and money!
Hudge Carter, “(O)n the day that President Obama took the presidential oath and was sworn in, he became President of the United States.”
20090120 Stamped at 3:26 PST (6:26 PM EST) Tuesday January 20,
2009
Keyes - Complaint (#01, January 20, 2009)
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16443502/Keyes-Complaint-01-January-20-2009
First Oath flubbed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=274_VdeckAU
Orly Taitz filed Keyes v Obama complaint 01
at 3:26pm PST (6:26 PM EST) Tuesday January 20, 2009
Senator Obama retook his oath of office
on Wednesday January 21, 2009 at 7:35pm EST.
He automatically became president at noon that day, with or without the oath that CJ Roberts flubbed.
Obama didn’t flub the oath, your fair-haired right wing Bush appointee, Chief Justice Roberts flubbed the oath. Obama got it right. Very symbolic.
Thank you Your Honor. We needed that. All of us needed that. Next should be Bar action.
Cant someone just produce the birth certificate and put this issue to rest? Why is this being dragged out so long? Show the proof and everyone shuts up.
That’s all it would take to put an end to this one way or another.
It has been done many times. Every time someone does it, nuts like you come out and claim that “it was Photoshopped” or whatever.
Nuts like me… Interesting you’d say something about someone you know nothing about. Is it possible for you to bring something intelligent to the table? Try again Mike. That was just sloppy.
oh Please give it up Chris! Instead of wasting everyones time and money why doesn’t your loser party do a serious self inventory and ask what went wrong in the last 8 years that cost your incumbent party the election.
Andy, thanks for the personal attack… Typical liberal fashion… I bet ya think Im watching Fox News too right? I have never seen the death cert and no one I know personally has either. So Im just saying for the sake of both parties or people that are not party affliated like myself, lets just show the death cert and move on. If he was officially born here then great. If he wasnt then there is an issue. If any citizens want to see it then it should be available. Oh and by the way it sounds like you have way too much faith in politicians and there parties. I see things for what they are. A scummy politician isnt the answer. It never has been and probably never well.
OK:
http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg
It’s been online since June 2008. Why didn’t you know that?
Well, Orly has said that even if he was born in HI, he still can’t be president because his father was from Kenya.
So, it doesn’t matter. This will never go away.
The sooner that supposedly legitimate news organizations like OCR quit giving this woman exposure, the sooner we stop hearing from and about her.
Good for that judge!!! Too bad he can’t incarcerate Taitz for stupidity.
No, we want more.
Seriously this is way too entertaining.
Oh, Yeah she’s OCR’s woman of the year, a real icon of what a orange county republican looks like.
Why hasn’t the bar done anything about Taitz? When will she realize that this is not up to the court system? She’s wasting people’s valuable time and resources on something that the judiciary system legally has no control over, as Judge Carter said.
Not that lawyers had the best reputation, but Taitz is really making them look bad. She and the law degree she got in her cereal box are tying up courts which should be hearing cases which merit their time.
The bar needs to revoke her license to practice law.
hey moderator… why does it take so long for comments to be approved and be posted on here? ridiculous wait time.
Birther Beatdown!!!!!
LOL
I can’t wait for the Orly explosion of idiocy that will follow this.
Taitz will never stop until she’s disbarred. What a monumental waste of the Federal Courts’ time and money . I must say Judge Carter gave Taitz some good slaps in his ruling.
2 great ones are:
Taitz encouraged her supporters to contact this Court, both via letters and phone calls. It was improper and unethical for her as an attorney to encourage her supporters to attempt to influence this Court’s decision…….
Additionally, the Court has received several sworn affidavits that Taitz asked potential witnesses that she planned to call before this Court to perjure themselves. This Court is deeply concerned that Taitz may have suborned perjury through witnesses she intended to bring before this Court
Truly a disgraceful attorney. But then what can one expect from someone with an online law degree. The CA Bar needs to step up and suspend this woman and then disbar her.
Ah HAH HAH HAH! Birthers can now crawl back under the dog stool they crawled out from under.
I love all Oily Taste antics being destroyed in court. Because it brings out all the far right reetees.
Tough
7 More Years!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, the right is doing the work of the left. Keep it up Rightwingers because we want 7 more years!
She sure is a piece of work, , but it’s obvious that she has no shame. She figures that if she yells loud enough, or keeps pushing, she will eventually get her way. Reminds me of a bully, , and a rude one at that!
We all knew this would be dismissed…..didn’t we? At least the rational among us did.
Obama wins again!
just like Bush in 2000! I guess!
“Additionally, the Court has received several sworn affidavits that Taitz asked potential witnesses that she planned to call before this Court to perjure themselves. This Court is deeply concerned that Taitz may have suborned perjury through witnesses she intended to bring before this Court.”
So when is Orly going to ask you to commit perjury?
Not really. Bush was appointed to office by three right wing nuts. The people voted Obama into office.
The people will not have a choice next time to vote for him. This is the Peoples Republic of the United States. The flag is going to look weird with all red stripes.
lol. you have to stop deluding yourself brianguy by drawing these false comparisons. Nothing is like Bush 2000. That was just vote robbery and undemocratic. Your comment says more about you than about Obama 08
The bible of the left, aka the NYT along with several other notable publications did a thorough investigation into the Florida election and found NOTHING to indicate fraud or a “stolen election” which merely confirmed the Supreme Court ruling, who’s in denial?
So the merit of the case is not questioned by the judge, only the ramifications if a decision was rendered. Sounds backwards.
I agree Brian…..it is backwards. At first I thought she was nuts but now I’m not so sure. You would think anyone would question Judge Carter’s reasons to not hear the case.
Yeah, sworn affadavits stating that witnesses were being compelled to perjure themselves certainly makes me question Judge Carter’s reasons for not throwing Orly’s bewigged and forgery-bearing ass in jail.
Only CONGRESS can remove a sitting president. What don’t you get?
No, he clearly stated that a sitting President cannot be removed by the courts due to the seperation of powers outlined inthe Constitution.
“(I)n order to cure Plaintiffs’ perceived injury, the Court would need to wade deep into the waters of the President’s official duties–in fact, it would have to declare that the President could no longer perform any official duties. The separation of powers concerns implicated by this request are grave.”
After an extensive examination of the constitutional issues, Carter concluded:
“(O)n the day that President Obama took the presidential oath and was sworn in, he became President of the United States. Any removal of him from the presidency must be accomplished through the Constitution’s mechanisms for the removal of a President, either through impeachment or the succession process set forth in the Twenty-Fifth Amendment. ”
ummmm…doesn’t that mean anyone could fool the people and become President then we couldn’t do squat about it once he was in office? Personally I don’t care for that idea.
Can you read? Of course we could do something in that case. It’s called impeachment. Once more:
“Any removal of him from the presidency must be accomplished through the Constitution’s mechanisms for the removal of a President, either through impeachment or the succession process set forth in the Twenty-Fifth Amendment. ”
What didn’t you understand?
No, it means that the courese of remedy is via impeachment by Congress rather than the courts. It sure would be nice if some of those commenting on this had actually read the Constitution or perhaps stayed awake in Civics class.
It is not backwards. The first thing a court must consider when a case is brought before it is whether the court has jurisdiction to hear the case. If you get into a fender-bender in Anaheim and sue someone in Canada, you are going to get your case thrown out. The court clearly said, under the constitution, only Congress through the impeachment process has the jurisdiction to put a sitting president on trial.
The court did not address the merits of the case because it is inappropriate and also legally vacuous for a court to address the merits of a case it doesn’t have jurisdiction to hear.
The problem with this case and Taits followers is they are trying to use the legal system for something it does not do. It was never going to be appropriate to do this
Thanks for Clearing that up. Pure 1st year law stuff that these Birthers wouldnt’ understand.
But, there is no evidence to support the alleged merit to this case. So, why should the issue be addressed? Orly Taitz presented to the court as evidence a poorly written news article that said Obama could have been born outside of the US. That is not evidence to support what you call the merit to this case.
The merit of the plaintiff attorney is in question.
Just wait until the wingnuts who think like Taitz show up in a little while.That should be entertaining to read their outraged posts.They have become an irrelevancy.
mensarino the wing nuts won’t show up,they have no courage just like all republican hypocrites, I have a feeling that most are one poster with many many log ins. LOL
what ARE the courts good for then?
Protecting this country from radicals.
Stopping lawyers who tell their witnesses to commit perjury, apparently.
Brian—The Constitution clearly states that the only way to remove a sitting president is to go through the Congress. The courts aren’t authorized to do this.
The Congress would have to initiate impeachment proceedings and that is just not going to happen.
Of course not. Dislike of the President is not grounds for impeachment.
Congress — talk about useless.
Listen Brian, these people have been elected by a majority, Get over it; your party lost. Maybe it’s time to ask yourself why? what happened in the last 8 years that cost your party the election? Palin? the war? the economy? the lies? the cia agent outings. what?
Brian - Did you vote in the last election? If the answer is “no”, then you don’t have any basis for complaining, do you?
Read the Constitution. The judicial branch has clearly-defined line of authority, as do the executive and legislative branch. What this nut was demanding is a clear violation of the speration of powers doctrine.
I’m curious why neither you nor others in the OCR’s readers section were not able to assert this before, but now it suddenly became obvious? fascinating.
Brianguy—-Where have you been?As a former Government teacher I have been repeating the Constitutional points repeatedly on every birther story in the OCR.
We generally wait for people to ask stupid questions before we answer them. LOL
Criminal and Civil law. If you want to see what goes on in a court, we have plenty around you could visit. They are open to the public.
Obama can’t come up with any proof because he’s a LIAR!
The good new is, this sets a precedence for Schwarzennegar to become President of the United States!!!!! Go Arnold!!!!!
Taitz has a correspondence school law degree and probably does not appreciate the full ramifications of her antics.:
“He also sharply criticized the conduct of attorney Taitz, calling her actions unethical and possibly illegal.”
The Court does not appreciate the fact that Taitz is trying to use it to put the country in “a state of turmoil” ( Are the Birthers trying to overthrow the federal government?):
“Plaintiffs’ request, asking this Court to sweep away the votes of over sixty-nine million Americans with the stroke of a pen and order a new election during which the country would be in a state of turmoil, ignores the Constitution’s processes and separation of powers that were developed by the founders,’ Carter wrote.”
Who do the Birthers want in office, Palin and her secessionist AIP friends?
Right now I’d rather see Palin in office, I voted for obama and I made a big mistake. He is a do nothing president. He needs to s**t or get off the pot , either send enforcement troops in or pull our guys out of the war.
Who are you? Give me a break. First the republicans complain that he is taking on too much and now you are saying he isn’t doing enough. Just be quite already. Palin lol.
Andy…even he admits he hasn’t done anything yet.
“Palin”…”Palin”…That name sounds vaguely familiar.
Are we sure that it was online where she received her degree?, , and not from a box of CrackerJacks?
What a waste of money. Give the dog a bone.
Oh my gosh this woman is a crook. Please take her license to be a lawyer away…..while your at it remove her from practicing dentistry as well. Yeah, beware she practices dentistry in South Orange County.
I feel a book is coming about a conspiracy. It will make the JFK assassination conspiracies even more legit looking.
Golly Gee !
I Just love obama, I love Koolaid too.
You people make me SICK !
I really liked the cash for clunkers & now Gov Healthcare.
Wake up Fools !
Interesing how bent and twisted we get in this country over birthplace and parental heritage… Yet, no one EVER had an issue with Winston Churchill’s mother being an American. We certainly have some odd priorities here.
People have to realize that whether you are right, left, moderate or just plain crazy in your own idiosyncratic universe, this is a country of laws and the federal government is not amused by people who try to disrupt it:
Feds: Son of Slain Mich. Islamic Leader Arrested
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Published: October 29, 2009
Filed at 2:26 p.m. ET
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/10/29/us/AP-US-FBI-Raids-Michigan.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=FBI%20and%20Moslems%20detroit&st=cse
DETROIT (AP) — “Federal authorities in Detroit say the son of a slain leader of a radical U.S.-based Islamic group has been arrested in nearby Windsor, Ontario.
The FBI says 30-year-old Mujahid Carswell was arrested Thursday in Windsor by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. He was considered armed and dangerous.
Carswell was among 11 people charged Wednesday in a criminal complaint in federal court in Detroit. Their leader, his father, 53-year-old Luqman Ameen Abdullah, was killed in a shootout with agents.”
With such a lawsuit like this, they are wasting our tax money on Taitz’s stupid idea.
This woman should be disbarred for suborning perjury. She is an absolute nut case, in my humble opinion.
Too bad the MSM never really looked into Palin’s secessionist friends. I really wonder if many of her supporters fully understand how radically this country would have changed, and not in a good way, had Palin and the AIP made it into the White House?:
Tuesday, Oct 7, 2008 11:38 PDT
The Palins’ un-American activities
Imagine if the Obamas had hooked up with a violently anti-American group in league with the government of Iran. By David Talbot
http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2008/10/07/palins_unamerican/index.html
“My government is my worst enemy. I’m going to fight them with any means at hand.”
This was former revolutionary terrorist Bill Ayers back in his old Weather Underground days, right? Imagine what Sarah Palin is going to do with this incendiary quote as she tears into Barack Obama this week.
Only one problem. The quote is from Joe Vogler, the raging anti-American who founded the Alaska Independence Party. Inconveniently for Palin, that’s the very same secessionist party that her husband, Todd, belonged to for seven years and that she sent a shout-out to as Alaska governor earlier this year. (”Keep up the good work,” Palin told AIP members. “And God bless you.”) ..”
I always did think David O Carter was an excellent judge. This confirms it.
I love this line (from page 14)
“If there should in fact be a dividing line for that is dependent on the
likelihood of success in the election, then this is not a case which would hover on that line as Plaintiffs received only four-hundredth of one percent of the vote. The Court may have already met this entire group of voters at the hearings on this matter.”
I’ve heard that in his younger days, he was known as “Barry Soetero” and had an Indonesia passport. Forget the birth certificate (which can easily be fabricated or changed in either direction. Records can be changed with a “wink and a smile”, after all). I would think a passport record search should prove his nationality. Besides do we really want a president Joe (windbag) Biden?
You still haven’t given up. “I’ve heard..” On, that’s rich.
It’s over. The passport theory, the birth certificate theory, the Kenyan birth, the Natural Born Citizen theory - all disproven and all debunked.
Why don’t you just admit you hate him and leave it at that instead of these never-ending blasts of hot air and B.S.
Pathetic.
Well, by that logic no one in this country can claim to be a citizen or run for President. After all, their birth certificate, or any other document, could be fabricated.
Give me a break.
Whoa…SMACK DOWN!
read the text
http://www.scribd.com/doc/21808122/Judge-Carter-Ruling-on-MTD
Including this: “…the court received several sworn affidavits that Taitz asked potential witnesses that she planned to call before this court to perjure themselves.”
At least she has teeth to fall back on
Whose money is paying for the courts and judges to keep hearing this matter? Oh yeah the taxpayers! Seems it is ok for some people to waste taxpayer money and not for others. A ridiculous lawsuit with no merit.
Very interesting! Line 14 of Page 2 of Carter’s ruling shows that the anti- American secessionist AIP was a plaintiff in this suit. Read more about Palin’s handlers:
Friday, Oct 10, 2008 04:18 PDT
Meet Sarah Palin’s radical right-wing pals
Extremists Mark Chryson and Steve Stoll helped launch Palin’s political career in Alaska, and in return had influence over policy. “Her door was open,” says Chryson — and still is. Video By Max Blumenthal and David Neiwert
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/10/palin_chryson/index.html
“…Though Chryson belongs to a fringe political party, one that advocates the secession of Alaska from the Union, and that organizes with other like-minded secessionist movements from Canada to the Deep South, he is not without peculiar influence in state politics, especially the rise of Sarah Palin. An obscure figure outside of Alaska, Chryson has been a political fixture in the hometown of the Republican vice-presidential nominee for over a decade. During the 1990s, when Chryson directed the AIP, he and another radical right-winger, Steve Stoll, played a quiet but pivotal role in electing Palin as mayor of Wasilla and shaping her political agenda afterward. Both Stoll and Chryson not only contributed to Palin’s campaign financially, they played major behind-the-scenes roles in the Palin camp before, during and after her victory…”
I hope Christopher Guest eventually makes a mockumentary based on this because this whole thing is hilarious and over the top.
Given Palin’s support of the AIP and documented ties to its “officers,” I wonder if she had an arm’s length involvement in this farce?
Taitz needs to be deported back to the USSR!
http://members.calbar.ca.gov/search/member_detail.aspx?x=223433
She didn’t even attend a ranked law school, nor an ABA accredited law school. This isn’t even a tier 4 law school….Her legal education is non-existent and a sham. It really is a shame she is an active member of the bar, she should be disbarred for her unethical actions against the court. The issue of the lawsuit doesn’t even matter when it comes to her actions that are an insult to the legal profession. That is why online law schools will never be accredited, yes ONLINE law school.
I don’t care if she graduated from Harvard Law School. A mental case is a mental case, period.
I guarantee you if Obama was (fully) Caucasian, this lawsuit and others like it would NEVER have happened/be happening.
Gerry, you be right.
Funny how all these rightwing nutjobs were crying about “judicial activism” in the recent Supreme Court nomination, but now they want a federal judge to attack the executive branch of government, which is clearly NOT SUPPORTING JUDICIAL ACTIVISM of the most extreme kind. Utterly amazing.
The reason so many people here don’t like your kind (i.e. right wing nutjobs) is because they don’t trust your kind. You will do anything, say anything, and promote anything to stay in power. Your only ethic is power at any cost – the exact thing this government was set up to prevent. YOU ARE THE TYRANTS they warned us about who would sell our liberties for a little security, and our freedoms for a little ideology.
Well said WW!!!!
What is it with conservatives? They get special prosecutor Kenneth Starr to investigate Clinton about Whitewater. After no success, they sic him on a stained blue dress.
Now we have birthers.
And the Obama is a radical black Christian crowd,
And the Obama is a Muslim crowd,
And the Obama is a Chicago gangster crowd,
And the recession is Obama’s fault crowd,
And, and, and …
And none of them realize they’re nuckin futz!
Where oh where is highlanderjuan—lol
He is probably being thrown into a black Escalade with tinted windows, along with his two computer systems.
If Taitz is going to deny that she asked her supporters to phone the District Court, she might outta delete the request from her web site first:
http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=2113
Archived in case Orly decides to “hide” the fact that she did:
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3199/20091030191719.jpg
She denied that she urged supporters to call Carter?
Such urging is plain to see on her blog orlytaitzesq.com
I suppose she’ll say that the forces of repression broke into her blog and planted those messages.
I look at this from a different point of view then those who support Obama. I feel that every lawsuit that’s dismissed proves further that what Orly says is TRUE. Look at the judges words in the ruling. He says that Orly wants to overthrow the President, overturn the results of an election of which 69 million people voted. The only way that would happen is if what Orly says it true. The fact the judges don’t want to know the truth proves to me they in fact already know the truth. Orly only wants the court to demand proof from Obama, not to remove him, but IF that proof shows he is illegal that’s the ONLY way that will ever happen. WAKE UP SHEEPLE STOP BEING SO STUPID
If he is illegal he needs to be removed from office our Constitution says so. You Obama supports, Be careful what you wish for you just might get it. Whats going to happen when they overlook your right to free speech, unreasonable search, ect, ect. If they don’t have to follow the Constitution they don’t have to follow these either.
The court don’t have to remove Obama from office, all they need to do is make Obama produce the documents requested, and if they show he has lied turn them over to Congress for Impeachment. Is there really any harm in checking this out, If you keep saying Obama is going to be removed from office you must also think he is guilty or else would you not want your guy to be vindicated and see the birthers embarrassed. I wonder if the actual proof came out and showed Obama was born out of this country would you still want him to stay in office even though he cant legally be President according to the laws of this country.
John, the last thing any judge wants is to be overturned on appeal, particularly in high-visibility cases. It is the plaintiffs burden of proof when a plaintiff brings an action. The defendant doesn’t have to disprove anything unless the plaintiff has proven something. Ms. Titz has not proven anything, so there is nothing to disprove.
Mr. Wilson: Please read the various rulings again. Both Judge Carter and Judge Land said that under the Constitution it is up to Congress to remove the president and the courts have no power to do so. Without jurisdiction, the courts cannot simply make Obama produce his birth certificate. It is that simple.
“all the court needs to do, is…..” It would save you a ton of worry, if you would simply UNDERSTAND THE BASIC LAW. Lawsuits are filed by a PLAINTIFF who asks for (something). NO COURT EVER ASKS FOR ANYTHING. Taitz has no legal right to any documents whatsoever. The fact that “someone started a rumor” does not qualify as reason or grounds for her (or anyone) to ask any judge to violate the law. Or, perhaps you want the judge to VIOLATE the law, which provides that any “defendant” in any case HAS RIGHTS TO RESPOND, and be heard. The point that seems to go completely over head.. THE PROOF IS LEGALLY AVAILABLE TO PERSONS WITH AUTHORITY. Since entities who HAVE authority, ALREADY have proof… there is no issue.
DO YOURSELF A FAVOR… don’t repeat theories concerning “law” when every theory out there is completely fabricated, and has nothing to do with real law. Carter ruled ABSOLUTELY CORRECT WITH THE LAW, and then some. He is right.. Orly WANTS to overthrow a legal election. And the answer is… NO.
Liberals are the absolute best at playing on words and the meaining of them!!!
comrade obama is hiding something….no liberal ever adressess that do they? Why is charman obama not showing the long form bc? It is a simple question…but liberals try to make it a very hard issue and answer…sheer genius!
We have senate hearings to confirma McCain when it was pretty clear he was born on an American military base to 2 natural born parents….obama has given no clear account of his childhood and provided not one shred of evidence to back up anything that he says. This question was raised and has been in litigation sice BEFORE the elcection…and still he got by without presenting any proof to back up his story.
This question is going to dog comrade obama his whole presidency. This is just another step on the constitution…if they can truly paint the constitution as a piece of paper…then that is exactly what it will become..
One day the zombies will wake up after one of the few rights they cherish is stepped on…then the mindless freaks will ask themselves “how did this happen…I just voted for fainess is all…how did we get to this point?”
Rules are rules…what good are they if they are not followed? Why have them?
obama is not royalty and is not above the law
obama is so good that he is going to loose VA and NJ to republican govenors…stick that in your pipeand smoke it obamaites!!!
Reds, If you were of an earlier generation, you would have been a blind follower of Joseph McCarthy. You’re probably right about NJ, but not VA. It has nothing to do with Obama. It has to do with Corzine’s ineptitude. Even Obama can’t overcome that. Republicans will still be down 23-27, big deal.
get it right alterego58…VA is leaving the deomcratic camp for sure…check the polls
NJ and the seat in NY are still undecided…but democrats are loosing according to ALL polls…it is just a closer race…
You did not get any laughs with the McCarthy comment….pretty lame…but I guess you figured that out by now huh?
What is ridiculous about the whole birther question is there is not one statement made that Obama’s mother was not an American citizen at the time of his birth (she was an American citizen at the time). Who his father is or was or what country he was from or even where Obama was born is therefore irrelevant to the question. The child of an American who is a citizen at the time of the birth is an American citizen by birth. Hawaii was a state at the time of his birth.
JUDGE CARTER IN A NUTSHELL: Expanded Orly Taitz default judgment case against CANDIDATE Obama for fraud into a Presidential Removal case against PRESIDENT Obama (promising a trial), but then ruled the Court lacks said Presidential Removal authority, not only dismissing the Judge-expanded Presidential Removal case (reneging on the trial), but throwing out Orly’s Candidate fraud case as well — all this on a red herring that Orly’s case was filed 1/20/09 after Obama was sworn in on 1/20/09 despite Obama was sworn in on 1/21/09 and despite the Orly-alleged fraud was committed by Candidate Obama prior to becoming President and for which there is no Presidential immunity in any case. Thus Judge Carter set up and knocked down his own straw man, and misstated fact and law to bury Orly’s actual case. Pretty nifty!!!
Jack, you obvously have not followed Orly’s career. She has been legally smacked down so many times she has callouses on her forehead. She has pissed off co-counsel who refused to finish cases with her and brought legal actions against her. She has released personal information such as Social Security Numbers and addresses of legal adversaries. She is a raving lunatic on the fringe.
Her paralegal has been disbarred in 3 states including CA. He was convicted in Texas on a federal charge of falsely representing a Social Security number.
So, what is it like being on the fringe? You’re not Jack Torrance from The Shining? Are you?
Jack: Have you read all of the pleadings? How do you get to a “default judgment case” when Ms. Taitz couldn’t even properly serve the pleadings on the defendants? Judge Carter never promised a trial: He only set a trial date as part of a scheduling order which is routine. Are you going to say Judge Carter (a decorated Marine officer) is a tool of the current administration?
Go ahead and send your money to Ms. Taitz to fund her appeal.
Interesting how little we really know about our president and many people on this list are perfectly fine with that.
Too bad most people don’t know what a Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) actually is. You can’t get a driver’s license or register a child for school with that document.
He refers to his long-form Birth Certificate in his book. Why doens’t he share it with us? If he did, and it’s a US document, this whole thing would go away.
What’s the harm, since so many are convinced is a US document?
Even if he showed what would satisfy most people, the claim against him wouldn’t go away. Taitz says that because Obama’s father isn’t a citizen of the US, Obama is constitutionally barred from holding office (even though the Constitution doesn’t say this). Also, so long as the birthers continue with their wild claims, the democrats can exploit them and distract at least a certain percentage of people from all the other stuff going on. It also generates a certain amount of sympathy for him.
Think about this: He has a US passport for which a certified birth certificate is required. Why hasn’t that fact ended the inquiry?
BTW: I am not an Obama supporter. I think he is screwing things up left and right.
Fred, Fred, Fred, c’mon, be honest with yourself. You wouldn’t be satisfied with a videotape of his Hawaiian birth with Don Ho in the background. Admit it. What else could account for your delusional denial of reality? The COLB is *perfectly acceotable* for ALL purposes for which you would use an original birth certificate. I used COLBs from THREE different states (all of them were identical as to form with Obama’s) to get passports for me and two of my kids. You CAN and DO use COLBs to get driver’s licenses or register you child for school. In fact you HAVE to use them if you don’t have the original because **COLBs are the only documents most states give out when you ask for a copy of your birth certificate.88
Just what do you think a COLB is for anyway?
I know everything about our president that i wish to know… who he is, where he lived, what his upbringing was. I don’t know what else you want to know but I must observe that it’s likely an unreasonable depth of questioning that for some reason you never displayed about any of our white presidents. Why is that, Fred?
Fred, too bad that MANY PEOPLE have been scammed by the “colb is not valid” argument…
There is no question about the validity of the document online. THE AUTHORITY BEHIND THE DOCUMENT, WHICH IS THE STATE OF HAWAII, COMPLETELY AND 500% SAYS THAT YOUR CONCLUSIONS ARE TOTALLY FALSE.
Your viewpoint is based on WEBSITES, who are feeding you lies. The legal status of the President comes from valid and legal sources.
Obama was born exactly where he says he was.
And, I have 30 yrs experience with birth/death documents from various states. More than enough that the “well, a colb is not enough” argument was obvious as blatant hoax from day one.
Too bad you do not know who is scamming you.
The “harm” is that people like you, who are misinformed, are demanding proof that has already been given, and documents that you have no right to.
Wendy, the bottom line is they want to believe, even though the information comes from incredible sources. There is a good article in Psychology Today that explains their behavior: http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolution-the-self/200907/gullibility-part-1-how-vulnerable-are-you-being-duped
The Republican National Congress initially gave the birther movement enough lip service to fuel the flames. Now, they’re no where to be found on the topic because they know how rediculous it is. they’ll let the birthers keep stirring the pot because it takes attention away from important issues such as universal health care.
One of the posters on this article sincerely believes the Obama administration is “scrubbing” his posts. To keep his “research” safe, he keeps it on two computers. This is the kind of paranoid delusional lunatic fringe we’re dealing with.
Wait what? A COLB canot be used to get a Drvier’s license or get a child into school? And where are you pulling this lie from? Guess its from where th sun dont shine
Guess what? You are 100% wrong. That is the ONLY way I go my Driver’s License, since my parents LOST my original Certificate of Live Birth document when we moved from Hawaii to florida then back to Hawaii. My mother had to get a duplicate for registration purposes and the short form is the ONLY form that Hawaii gives.
I”ve gotten all of these on my Short form:
1) a drivers license
2) a passport
3) establish citizenship so I could get my first job.
Nice that we caught you in an outright lie.
Orly Taitz needs to be disbarred and locked up. She is no different from people who offer revisionist history on the Holocaust.
Actually Hawaiiborn, you are incorrect about the type of forms availabe from Hawaii. Until early June of this year it was still quite simple to obtain a copy of the “long form” birth certificate. Suddenly in early June 09 this changed to Hawaii only issuing the “short” form. However, it is still possible to obtain a copy of an original “long form” BC, but is now quite a pain to get. As always, ONLY a person with TANGIBLE interest can get a copy. So, if obama wanted it, he could get it.
I imagine that as soon as obama is no longer in the white house, Hawaii will release it’s strangle hold on the BC’s of non-presidential Citizens.
Patty, that is completely false. Hawaii did away with giving out Long form COLB since 2000. They went completely digital in that year, and the oNLY form you can get from the Department of Health is the “Short form” If you want the “long form” you have to file a court case and actually petition for the document to be produced.
Hawaii and many states recognized the Short form they give out as an official document that can be used to obtain many various legal identification as well as to establish citizenship. The only important information that needs to establish citizenship is your name, birth date, year you were born, parents names and where you were born.
“strangle hold” as you call it, is not even that. it applies to EVERY single birth record they hold. NO one will have access to that information, unless you are the person who it belongs to, or a relative that needs access to that information.
Frankly, I believe hawaiiborn’s comments over yours. He seems to be very diligent in supporting his claims. There are some on this forum who probably believe he is an Obama administration plant.
Frankly alterego58…you probably get all your news spoon - fed to you by Rachel Madow right?
You seem like the type that will believe anything his liberal party will tell him…and go repeat it too = zombie
Ever read any books other than doctor zeuss??
I’ll stack my reading list against yours any day. Read the Psychology Today article I posted earlier and you will understand why right wing whackos need to have their minds controlled by college dropout disk jockeys and an incompetent lawyer who received legal training from a non-credited on-line school in Santa Ana.
Psychology is not exactly a cutting edge issue I am afraid. Sorry to burst your bubble…and in any event…I would be curious to know where it got you in life…
Keep on talking alterego….thinking like that is exactly the reason why your liberal party was beat in a MAJOR way last night…lol…you kind of remind me of the village idiot…lol
All libs like alterego can do is call people names and stereotype them…example: “right-wing nuts” “birthers” “tea-baggers”
There is just no way for them to effectively argue the issues…they simply can not do it…they loose everytime they try becasue most of their positions are flawed and filled with lies and are void of facts.
But keep on talking alterego…you are educating people everyday…just not in the way you intended
Given that “birthers” are the ones who want PROOF of Big O’s birth, who are the opposite? Non-birthers? Implying that they don’t give a krap where he was born, do not care if he were implanted here to subvert our nation, etc — so long as they get free health care, free food, free transportation, free tuition, fake grades, fake jobs upon “graduation” from fake “institutions of higher learning”, and more likely than not a fake government make-work job — all at someone else’s expense. Since “60 million Frenchmen cannot be wrong” (and Judge Carter has said as much about those who voted for Big O), I suppose it’s okay that a foreigner continues to send our troops into harm’s way in a fake battle/war, instead of bringing them home as the Big O PROMISED would be among his FIRST official actions: Obama’s War Without End continues to needlessly take the lives of dedicated citizen-soldiers leaving in the wake of that illegal war, the mournful relatives and once greatest nation on earth that he promised, “with your help, [he] will change”. Mendacity becomes him.
well our prez said he would not show it.so we have a marksest pres commy running . and the health care crap he’s cramming down our throuts if its good enough for us then its good enough for the house and senet to be on don’t u think he needs to prove it
and for all of u who did not hear that hawaii is the one who gives birth cert. to people from other countries too