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Obama birthplace lawyer fined for legal misconduct
October 13th, 2009, 11:12 am · 201 Comments · posted by Martin Wisckol, Politics reporter
Updated at 12:35 p.m. with reaction from Taitz.
A Georgia federal judge today fined Mission Viejo lawyer Orly Taitz $20,000 for legal misconduct in her claims that Barack Obama was born in Kenya and so should be removed as president.
In sanctioning Taitz, U.S. District Court Judge Clay D. Land wrote that one recent Taitz response to the court “is breathtaking in its arrogance and borders on delusional. She expresses no contrition or regret regarding her misconduct. To the contrary, she continues her baseless attacks on the Court….”
Taitz responded to Land’s order defiantly, saying she would appeal the sanction and continuing her attacks on Land.
“This is a travesty of justice,” she said. “It’s obviously a biased judge. He’s scared to go against the regime.”
Taitz called the Obama administration “the most repressive regime” the United States has known.
Land has dismissed two cases filed in his court by Taitz, who sought to prevent two members of the U.S. armed services from being deployed with the argument that Obama is an illegitimate commander in chief. He also threatened to sanction Taitz last month if she didn’t stop what he called “frivolous” filings. Click here to read about that.
Taitz currently has a case in Santa Ana federal court challenging Obama’s legitimacy as president. Arguments were heard last week on U.S. attorneys’ motion to dismiss the case without going to trial. A ruling from Judge David O. Carter is pending on that motion.
In sanctioning Taitz, Land also wrote that her “misconduct was not an isolated event; it was part of a pattern that advanced frivolous arguments and disrespectful personal attacks on the parties and the Court. …
“In all of counsel’s frivolous filings, she hurled personal insults at the parties and the Court. Rather than assert legitimate legal arguments, counsel chose to accuse the Court of treason and of being controlled by the ‘Obama machine.’ She had no facts to support her claims - but her diatribe would play well to her choir.”
Click here to read Land’s 43-page ruling, which details Taitz misconduct and the flaws with her motion to have Land recused from the case.
The judge said he doubled the $10,000 fine that he’d previously threatened Taitz with because that earlier amount was apparently not enough to deter continued misconduct.
“While the Court derives no pleasure from its imposition of sanctions upon counsel Orly Taitz, it likewise has no reservations about the necessity of doing so,” Land wrote. “A clearer case could not exist; a weaker message would not suffice.”
Here are some past stories:
Legal expert expects Taitz O.C. lawsuit to be dismissed
Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate alleged in O.C. lawsuit
Obama-birthplace lawsuit in O.C. plagued by infighting
One of O.C. attorney’s suits tossed in Obama birth debate
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Couldn’t happen to a better person.Maybe now she will slink away somewhere else.
No, she has already claimed that she will appeal.
LOL
may the birthertainment never end.
counsel chose to accuse the Court of treason and of being controlled by the ‘Obama machine
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She is going to be sanctioned (probably very seriosly) not only by the Federal Court’s where her complaints are pending, but also by the CA Bar.
And if she appeals she will be digging herself an even bigger hole, and IMO could be facing a suspension of her law license.
“And if she appeals she will be digging herself an even bigger hole, and IMO could be facing a suspension of her law license.”
IMO SHOULD face removal from the bar. IMO frivolous lawsuits are the root of all our problems in America, including Health Care!
I heard she is suing herself for dental malpractice.
this makes all republican nuts looked whacked—- and there are a lot of republican kooks!
kooks period… why be partisan?
ouch
Excellent. She should have been fined MORE…what a nutcase.
Can’t believe she’s my dentist. Well, used to be my dentist. Lesson learned: Avoid the practice when the door reads: Dentist, Lawyer, Realtor.
Wow, Alan. I would be scared to have somebody that crazy inside my mouth!
Can’t believe she’s my dentist. Well, used to be my dentist. Lesson learned: Avoid the practice when the door reads: Dentist, Lawyer, Realtor.
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She no longer has a vbalid Real Estate license;
Taitz, Orly
Mailing Address:
LAGUNA NIGUEL, CA 92677
License ID:
01410896
Expiration Date:
02/08/08
License Status:
EXPIRED
That probably just means that she decided to go with her law practice rather than keep her real estate license up. There are continuing education and other requirements that take a lot of time and money, which she might not have, since she’s been busy pursuing the Obama matter, and she may have had to make a decision between one and the other.
she knows what she’s doing; she is brighter by far than the anti-semetic bimbo who hosted Hardline last nite. Orly is smarter than the idiot host who had no facts and babbled aimlessly in an effort to defame her! Orly is a pitbull.
You idiots that placed your comments don’t know what she is capable of doing; she is defending the democratic philosophy that this country was founded on……maybe you should be silenced with your baseless comments.
She will prevail and then, you might see clearly!
Remember, Taitz said she would call for violence if she doesn’t get satisfaction via the courts. Not too funny. It’s time a criminal case was launched against her for incitement to violence, along with threatening and attempting to intimidate federal judges and elected officials. The FTC or U.S. Attorney could also charge her with using phony court cases and fake documents to solicit funds. That’s wire fraud, a felony.
WITH YOU ON THIS ONE, JOHN…
it is easy to laugh at this, and it is a scene for sure.
It is NOT completely funny, if you paid any attention to some posts around the net, who are enraged at the idea that Judges should act legally, in deciding to dismiss.
Sedition is encouraging defiance or revolt to a legal govt authority.
One hopes that appropriate people are FULLY AWARE of threats and defiance.
of course, she didn’t grasp the idea of mouthing off to Judge Land as being “doing something wrong”. In some ways.. the mouthing off could wind up being the least of her concerns.
this is great. This woman is a whack job
*smirk*
Ha Ha
This is a Constitutional issue. Until the Supreme Court hears this case, views the evidence and makes a decision, she can file as many lawsuits as she wants.
The Supreme Court is in the tank for OBAMA. Judge roberts wanted to hear the case but none of the rest would hear it.
doesn’t it matter to you IGNORANT KoolAid drinkers that your so called president has committed fraud and treason?
Are you people even slightly aware of how silly you’re starting to look?
Do yourself and the GOP a favor, and take a long, honest look in the mirror before you accuse others of being the KoolAid drinkers; to the majority of sane Americans, you look like a KoolAid factory!
amen the voice of truth. drink on bunch of moronic idiotas.
**Ladyinred–I cannot tell you how strongly that I hope you are supporting Ms. Taitz with every last dollar in your bank account. If that does not suffice, please mortgage your house. LOL.
Right, the SCOTUS, packed with Reagan and Bush appointees, is in the tank for Obama. I’d love to hear Scalia and Thomas respond to your completelyt whacky remark.
Maybe you and Taitz can get a volume discount for your medication.
lol, whats worse is the SCOTUS and the entire US Govt are in the tank with Iran, North Korea, and the secret society of the five wealthiest people in the world, known as the Pentavirate, who run everything in the world, including the newspapers, and meet tri-annually at a secret country mansion in Colorado, known as The Meadows.
Ladynred,
Are you being paid by the GOP to write such garbage. No one is buying what you are selling. Sounds like you’ve already had to much koolaid to me.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!
Come on ladynred70461, this koolaid is soooooo gooood!
Rush is that you. Aren’t you suppose to be doing your radio show spreading more fears
In other news, Irony keeled over dead after reading ladynred70461 wrote “ignorant KoolAid drinkers”.
Please be specific about fraud and treason accusations and supply FACTS, not Fox News commentary. A lack of any reply will be perceived as inability to so so.
Well, hopefully she can fall back on one of her other professions since she’s dismal at law. BTW, when did she file a writ of certiori with the Supreme Court on this case? That’s kinda hard to do since the appellate court hasn’t had a chance to review it, so this wouldn’t even be on Robert’s radar screen. And yeah, I’m sure Alito , Scalia and Thomas are just shaking in their boots about having the matter before them. Finally, the Orly Tatiz peanut gallery makes clear that they don’t even bother to learn about how things actually work in our system of government and justice. The seating of a president is a political matter properly situated in the legislative branch of government, not the judicial. Political abstention, where the courts refuse to hear a matter that should properly be before Congress, like this one, is a long standing legal doctrine in American jurisprudence. So stop your blathering, it only makes you look even more foolish.
Oh, give it up. SCOTUS is never going to waste its time on this nonsense.
Oh, give it up. SCOTUS is never going to waste its time on this nonsense
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Nor will the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals.
Sanctions will be upheld in 1 page order is my preditcion.
The 11th Circuit will consider it because she can appeal a final decision by the district court as a matter of right. But it won’t reverse Land’s ruling because she can’t show an abuse of discretion when it comes to the handing down of the sanction.
what evidence? So far the court has only heard frivolous arguments. Your nut case of an attorney failed to assert any legitimate legal arguments.
Where does she get standing Mr Constitutional expert?
tucked away in the midst of Land’s rulings…
commentary on the idea that impeachment is the job of Congress, and not properly a judicial function.
Which validates the argument used in Santa Ana.
We won’t even try to touch on the idea that the whole case is based in a HYPOTHETICAL INJURY (and that is an attempt to be kind).
She should have PAID ATTENTION to the 30+ judges, who already dumped these filings… but more importantly,
WHY?
Why?
Because she is obsessed. And has too much time and money on her hands.
$20,000 for an attorney is not much. Make it a $100,000 and she’ll get the message.
I’m betting she’s not a very successful or busy lawyer, so I would think that 20K will definitely smart.
And I draw this conclusion because her head is obviously hollow.
$20,000 for an attorney is not much. Make it a $100,000 and she’ll get the message
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Most “attorneys” are making less than $50K, if they can even find a job;
http://www.jdunderground.com
Congress can impeach or the Supreme Court can determine if Obama violated the Constitution.
Sorry to disagree,but the only remedy available at this time would be impeachment.The court can hear any case if it so wishes but only Congress is authorized to remove a sitting president.
This lady is an embarrassment to the legal profession.
The Supreme Court will not hear it. this government is so corrupt it scares me to death. It should scare you ignorant people too. Do you REALLY think
Obama is going to give you a freaking check????? WAKE UP PEOPLE!
yes, ladynred, the people in this country are that deplorable, ignorant, and misinformed.
They sure do make them crazy in Slidell!
**A check? What in the world are you talking about? (Is this an Orly sockpuppet?)
Lady, I don’t need a check because I have a job. But if anyone out there needs one because they are on hard times (it can happen to any of us) then I won’t begrudge them getting a government handout, I have sympathy for other people not so fortunate. OBAMA is the President and a darn good one at that so please get back under your rock.
LadyinRed. You continue to make baseless accusations (Fraud, corrupt, Treasonous, etc.) without any supporting evidence, and evade everyone’s efforts to engage you intelligently about the issues. You have a right to free speech, just as a dog has a right to bark, but sometimes times a barking dog gets shot.
I wish Obama would give me a Czech, a leggy, blond, blue-eyed Czech.
I do not agree with this woman and I cannot stand Barack one bit. This woman reminds me of Cindy Sheehan in a way. Look at it this way, you think Barack will be re-elected? He won’t be, folks. But I found it amusing that they shaped the Nobel Peace Prize like a bone and threw it to a token. Yeah, I said that. I stand by it. Because it is true in all ways.
The man is the president of the United States and the winner of the Nobel Peace Prize. And what have you done lately?
hey moron, please provide evidence of what the president has done to deserve the nobel peace prize, which, mind you, has also been awarded to al gore for promotion of a pseudo-science, jimmy carter (2nd worst president in american history next to barack hussein obama), and yasser arafat.
The committee already gave a detailed reason of why they chose President Obama. Have you not been paying attention?
Funny, how every undeserving winner you mentioned was a Democrat! You thing there might just be a slight bit of bias in YOUR judgement?
**You act as if it took courage for you to insult the President. LOL! It takes nothing but boorishness and parents who were obviously incapable of raising an intelligent child.
I agree greylox …also helps if one is a sore loser who still can’t come to terms with last years election.
OMG, can you just imagine what our country would look like if McSame and his rooty-tooty sidekick were elected?
Exactly what have you done lately? What ivy league college did you graduate from? What life challenges have you over come? What Law Journal did you edit? I could go on and on. Basically, and WHO are YOU?
Obama went to Columbia for undergrad, went to Harvard for Law school where he graduated magna cum laude, was a US Senator is now the President of the United States and the Nobel Peace Prize winner. He is also a husband and father and has never been caught tapping gay liason signals in bathrooms or texting interns or sleeping around. So, I find your “dog and bone” reference extremely off-base.
He is also a husband and father and has never been caught tapping gay liason signals in bathrooms or texting interns
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Hahahha…man was that funny! So sad, yet totally true.
Yep, that’s how the system works.
Talk about things you’re not supposed to talk about and you get slapped down.
Taitz is lucky she wasn’t jailed.
And this is a republican county!
hah!
OC Observer is as big of a whack job as this lady!
It’s amazing she wasn’t shot in the head the first time right? Conspiracy freak.
I’m not keen on Obama, but am delighted that the judge finally biatch-slapped this broad!
sexist PIG
Feminazi slogan shouter!
Homeatlast is a woman, and you’re a moron.
clueless fool
IS all this name calling directed at homeatlast or ladynred70461?
no that would be ladyinred, I have mad respect for homeatlast
This woman gives the lunatic fringe a bad name.
Cindy Sheehan??? how can you compare this moron to a mother who lost her son while serving our country?
**Obama-haters have no problems making wild assertions.
“This is a Constitutional issue. Until the Supreme Court hears this case, views the evidence and makes a decision, she can file as many lawsuits as she wants.”
sigh.
HOW MANY PAGES MIGHT IT TAKE.. TO EXPLAIN THE LACK OF ACCURACY HERE?
No, dear… it is not legal to file false lawsuits. Hence the fine from the judge in Georgia.
No, dear…. the fact that people believe a hoax, does not make this a Constitutional issue. You don’t have to like broccoli… the Supreme court is not there, for ruling on the merits of broccoli.
The govt is..and has been.. totally satisfied that Hawaii knows a real birth certificate when they see one. The rest of the Federal govt does not rely on websites to define if you need one parent or 27, to be a natural born citizen.
Courts are for lawsuits. NO LAW HAS BEEN BROKEN.
not my president
I didn’t vote for Obama and I’m unhappy with the lack of progress that he’s made on the issues, but the more crazy people like Taitz that I hear, the more I like Obama; if not for his policies, then just because it’s funny to see how angry he makes the wingnuts.
that’s quite a bold statement to call me a wingnut considering we’ve never met and you have no idea where i stand on the issues or what arguments i make in support. at least i’m not making baseless claims and trying to appeal to ‘emotion’ like the brain-dead liberals on this board.
christopher;
Although I used the word wingnut in my response, I didn’t specifically call YOU a wingnut. Either you need stronger reading glasses, or you need to stop being so over-sensitive and defensive.
**Says the guy who claims Obama is not HIS president. LOL!
Yes you are making baseless claims. And yes you are a wingnut. And yes we all know you have no Human Emotions and that is why you are not a liberal.
must suck for you knowing a black man is in a white house doesn’t it.
Those who place their faith in the judiciary need to curb their enthusiasm.
The fact of the matter is that we have no Constitution. We have no rule of law. We have a legal system that makes up the law as they go along. It’s called a rule of men.
Here is but one example.
United States Constitution,
Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5.
“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleii.html#section1
Here is the definition of the term “natural born citizen” as it would have been used and understood by every single delegate to the Constitutional Convention.
From Emmerich de Vattel,
The Law of Nations or the Principles of Natural Law (1758),
Book I, Chapter 19, Section 212. Citizens and natives.
“The natives, or natural born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.”
http://www.lonang.com/exlibris/vattel/vatt-119.htm
So whether he was in fact born in Hawaii or not, if the United States Supreme Court applied Article 2, Section 1, Clause 5 of the Constitution as it was written and intended to be applied, Mr. Soetoro-Obama would not be eligible to be President of the United States by virtue of the fact that his father was not a U.S. citizen.
The Constitution is not a living document. It’s a dead letter.
thank you, windfall, for your interpretation. barry/barack hussein soetero/obama is not my president.
Just like a suspected; you ARE NOT and AMERICAN.
Never, during the awful years that Bush was in office, making terrible decisions, placing power in the hands of evil people, making a fool of himself whenever he opened his mouth here or abroad, NEVER did I say that Bush “wasn’t my president.” It borders on treason and is most definitely unpatriotic when you say that about Obama. You don’t have to like him, but you must acknowledge the will of the American people who chose him to lead. I’d like you to chew on that for a while.
I heard canada is taking people in as well as mexico if you are not happy
Sure he is, just like George W was mine.
You are stuck in an 18th century time warp.Don’t you expect the Constitution to evolve and adapt to the needs of a different time?
Your understanding of the Constitution is not accurate over time,only at its inception.
Vattel wasn’t an Americn, and he ceratinly was not a Constitutional delagate.
The framers of the Constitution are spinning in their graves over your nonsense.
Just like the crazy Christians that twist the Bible to their current need the right has now taken to interpreting the Constitution to their own need. Comical
You are putting words into the mouths of our founders, because they did not define the term. You are making a one sided assumption that they all meant Vattel’s definition, but they stated no such thing.
In any event, If we went by the Constitution as originally written and intended, Obama would also only be 3/5 of a man and have no voting rights either, but thankfully the Constitution IS a living document, don’t you understand what “living document” means? It means it was written with vague statements, and lacked a lot of specifics. Because our founders knew that times would change, and they could not, and should not cement only that which was acceptable at the time it was written. In other words, they expected circumstances to change, and they needed to write is so as it could be interpreted with the changing times. Otherwise, The United States would have been obsolete within 25 years.
That is what makes it a timeless, living document.
For another perspective on why Obama IS qualified today:
“Barack Obama is, in fact, a natural-born citizen of the United States, for the simple reason that he was born on American soil (in Hawaii, two years after it acquired statehood). The age and citizenship status of Obama’s parents at the time have no bearing on Obama’s own citizenship.
Any confusion on this point is the result of misunderstanding the legal concepts of jus sanguinis (right of blood) and jus soli (right of birthplace). Here’s how the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Service explains the difference:
The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution guarantees citizenship at birth to almost all individuals born in the United States or in U.S. jurisdictions, according to the principle of jus soli. Certain individuals born in the United States, such as children of foreign heads of state or children of foreign diplomats, do not obtain U.S. citizenship under jus soli.
Certain individuals born outside of the United States are born citizens because of their parents, according to the principle of jus sanguinis (which holds that the country of citizenship of a child is the same as that of his / her parents).
It is a fact that under the provisions of Article Two of the U.S. Constitution, naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of president, but this disqualification does not apply to Barack Obama, who has been a citizen since birth.”
AKA “natural born citizen”
Then by definition, there are NO American citizens. If you have to be born of parents who are citizens, there could be no “First Citizen”. So Orly Taitz is not an American Citizen either. HMMMMM.
The Law of Nations may have influenced the framers of the constitution, but it has bearing on US legal matters. Therefore, its definition of “natural born” doesn’t apply.
In fact, the phrase “natural born” has been a major point of contention for over 200 years. So it’s absurd for Orly to make any definitive claims about the term.
In an 1862 paper, Attorney General Bates says this about natural born citizens: “We have natural born citizens, (Constitution, article 2, § 5,) not made by law or otherwise, but born.” … “As they became citizens in the natural way, by birth, so they remain citizens during their natural lives…” (Source: Opinion of Attorney General Bates on citizenship: United States. Attorney-General., Bates, Edward, 1793-1869. Washington: Govt. print. off., 1863. Page 8. you can read it on google books)
Nothing about the birthplace of a person’s parents is mentioned.
According to a 1988 article by Jill Pryor in The Yale Law Journal (vol. 98 page 881; Natural-Born Citizen Clause and Presidential Eligibility: An Approach for Resolving Two Hundred Years of Uncertainty), the laws that were on the books at the time of someone’s birth determine that person’s status as a natural born citizen. Pryor states that “a child born today would be a natural born citizen if born in the United States or if born abroad to at least one American parent, including American diplomatic and military personnel stationed abroad.” (pp. 897 - 898)
This is a very long way of saying that Ms. Taitz has no leg to stand on, and her grasp US law and legal scholarship is beyond appalling. Even if Obama *was* born in Kenya, his mom is American, and that makes him a natural born citizen. QED
That should read “has *no* bearing on US Legal matters.” Oops
Correction… Pryor states that based on the laws on the books, it could be decided that a child born today, yada yada yada…
Basically the argument is that there is enough ambiguity in the definition to interpret it in multiple ways.
But the term is broadly interpreted as one born in the US, or one who was designated a US citizen at birth.
I still stand by my QED.
ladyinred….
would it help to put this in simple terms for you ??
YOU GOT PUNKED.
No fraud occurred, except for places like wnd, who are making money off keeping you riled up.
Is she running a LOAN MOD company too?
And the comedy of the morally corrupt, lying and genetically challenged right wing continues. LMFAO!!!
Christopher:
If he’s not your President you have a simple solution: leave and take Ladyinred and Windfall with you! You are about as ignorant as they come. The election is over, your side lost and no one likes complaining, bitter losers like you.
Do any of you know for sure where obama was born or do you just like to argue?
Yes,I know…..Hawaii——now let it go.
Yep. The state of Hawaii has legally certified that he was born in Honolulu.
Yes this was a funny story. Whats not funny is what obama is doing to our country.
Horrible healthcare bill
massive debt
corrupt czars
He is hurting our country no matter where he was born.
Let remove this weasel!!
Will you leave the “czars” term alone? God, I can’t believe how stupid and narrow you are! Did you not remember the “energy czar” under Nixon and the “drug czars” under Bush? They started this…not some imagined commie plot from Obama!
The narrow mindedness comes from a genetic mutation that gives them limited hearing and neuron activity.
Uh, the debt is mostly Bush’s, thanks to his two wars and huge tax cuts for the wealthiest 5% of the population. Remember, Clinton left Bush with a surplus. Czars were started by Nixon and Reagan, and the Health Care bill will only be horrible if there is no Public Option which would force Healthcare insurers to compete rather than collude. Bob, YOU are hurting this country, you weasel. Remove yourself you hypocrite. What is not funny is what Bush did to this country, and it will take years to undo the damage.
Perhaps Windfall should read the 14th Amendment. Whether you agree with it or not, it does exist:
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
As a forty year practitioner, I am amazed at that woman’s chutzpah. Hopefully other federal judges will sanction her for her outrageous conduct and the California Bar will begin the process of disbarment. She is truly an embarrassment to this honorable profession.
As a forty year practitioner, I am amazed at that woman’s chutzpah. Hopefully other federal judges will sanction her for her outrageous conduct
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She is a Law grad of the William Howard Taft law school in Santa Ana, a non ABA, correspondence law school-and my guess is she probably took the Bar exam 20 times before she passed it.
http://members.calbar.ca.gov/search/member_detail.aspx?x=223433
This whole issue is ridiculous and the attorney is obviously a nut case.
You can add me to the list of those who say obama is not my president. I made the mistake of voting for him and I couldn’t be more sorry. He apologized to muslim countries on the behave of the United States.
He is trying to drag us down a road I don’t want to go down,personally I don’t want to live in a socialist country. He pitted the law against a cop who was doing his job in the Crowley/Gates case, it was racist that he stuck his nose in that.. I’m not saying I know if Orly is right or wrong about if he is a citizen or not, very few people know for sure but it does worry me that it seems Judge Land is trying to sweep something under the rug. He doesn’t want this case heard.
you can always go to mexico
Vicky please join windfall and Christopher and the lady in red in exile.You have all been voted off the island.Add lori to that list.Please take off your tin foil hats.
Vicky, I was under the impression he has heard multiple cases from Orly on this issue. Based on the article, it seems Land is fed up with wasting the courts time on this issue. You have to remember, it costs us money to run that branch of government, and frivilous claims only waste it.
ah…why do you CONTINUE TO MISS THE POINT??
MILLIONS OF PERSONS DO KNOW WHERE OBAMA WAS BORN. For one reason, and one reason only…
they are smart enough to see a hoax when it is in front of them.
The online certificate is not a forgery. Hawaii is smart enough to know.. and has SAID SO.
NOTHING is being swept under any rug. The ruling in Georgia said it totally clear… NO ONE has the right to file a lawsuit based on a hoax. THAT IS THE LAW.
Since 99% of the sane people in this country KNOW that no fraud happened, there is no legal grounds for any lawsuit. YOU don’t want to admit the facts, that is your problem. Your problem does not mean the facts are false.
**Vicky, it’s not nice to lie to your fellow readers. You are obviously not an Obama voter. We create coherent sentences, and use logic. You’re a tragic little loser, and should perhaps invest in a grammar program. Oh, and sane people know FOR SURE that President Obama was born in Hawaii.
You suspiciously don’t sound like someone who voted for Obama.
If you actually did, you were a very ignorant voter. He’s trying to do that which he campaigned on, but you don’t like the road he’s taking us down?
Vicky. Was Bush your President? The man who lied to get us into two wasted wars, killing over 1,000,000 civilians, not to mention our own boys. Is the man who gave tax cuts to the wealthiest 5% of the population, while creating budget deficits your children and grandchildren will be paying for, was he YOUR president? You have been living in a Socialist country all your life. Imagine having to hire a tutor or schoolmarm to educate your kids. Imagine having to hire an investigator when you have become a victim of a crime. I could go on, but many of the things you take for granted, like Education, Law Enforcement, Road Construction, are all Government owned, not private. If you don’t like this Socialist country, go away. Please, go away.
WINDFALL has said it all…Can any of you Obama followers answer Windfall or find ANY fault with what was written?
If NOT, sign off
can you weirdo’s come up with anything other than a rush limbaugh or shawn hannity talking point.
You betcha
I answered him.
Vattel was not an American and he was not a Constitutional Delegate. He was a Swiss Philosopher. The Constituion was written by English lawyers trained in English common law. Under English Common law, if you were born in the country you were “Natural Born” regardless of who your parents were. Even Vattel admitted that that was the case in England (and he wrote that years before the American Revolution).
In 1898 the Supreme Court of the United States confirmed that under the historic usage of the term natural born and the 14th amendment, any person born in this country is a natural born citizen, even if the parents were not citizens.
In 1936, SCOTUS reconfirmed this legal tenet.
You lose.
windfall has “said it all”.
Yep. He pulls out some obscure writing that has nothing to do with American law, and wants to make the courts think it has some meaning.
You betcha I find fault with that. He can spout his fabrications all day long, to anyone he wants.
Except a real Judge, who happens to know the real law.
I answered WINDFALL also….you see, WINDFALL did NOT say it all, as you state. Only stated that which you wanted to believe, without any thoughtful analysis or input from another source.
BTW, I had not heard WINDFALLS argument before, but it only took a few minutes of research to debunk the claim.
So now, are YOU going to sign off?
What a perfect way to defuse legitimate concerns about Obama’s overtly socialist intentions by parading someone like her out into the limelight. This happens at practically every presidential election.
Loose screws, loose chads, what’s the differnce?
Either way, your mainstream Republican or Democrat is not really for America.
I agree. Our real leader should be Dennis Kucinich. Obama is too diplomatic, and tries too hard to win bipartisan approval. The Repubs never did that. When they won, they said “screw you” to the 95% of us who aren’t wealthy enough to matter to them. Now that Dems hold the upper hand, I say “screw you” to all Repubs. Cry in your beer for 4 long years you losers, and just when the hangover starts to clear, we’re gonna kick your ass again. But next time, it will be a real progressives. Grayson-Kucinich 2012!
Czars weren’t as corrupt back then. We didn’t have van jones back then saying crazy statements.
Has obama spoken out about corrupt charles Rangel. No it would hurt their power. What a double standard. Do they really care about america or power. I say get rid of our corrupt leaders.
Look at the massive debt. What happened to change. Just more of the same only worse and faster!
You seem to have a double standard. I don’t recall Bush speaking out about that Wyoming Senator caught playing foot-follies in Minnesota, or the Repub from Alaska caught up in all the fraud schemes, or David Vitter, etc. I’ll agree with you that Rangel is a scumbag and needs to go. My point is, you are a hypocrite.
I thought not…ask yourself; why won’t someone in our government check into the FACT that Obama’s father IS NOT NOW NOR HAS HE EVER BEEN a U.S. Citizen.
It shouldn’t take some lawyer (whacked out or otherwise) to try and bring this to the appropriate people. This was something NONE of us knew during the electoral process (Well, No One but Obama himself).
Lori—-Your ignorance is appalling.Obama’s father was not a citizen and did not have to be in order for his son to be elected president.Didn’t you ever take a government class?
Lori, read above… the 14th amendment states anyone born within our borders is a natural citizen - it matters not if your parents are citizens. Obama was born in Hawaii, and is our President. Done.
You are totally correct.
It should not take a lawyer to explain to you that Obama’s fathers status is completely unrelated to Obama’s place of birth or being a natural born citizen.
They don’t check because they ALREADY KNOW what a natural born citizen is, and always has been.
A person born on US soil is a natural born citizen. A person who becomes a citizen is naturalized.
Now, spare me any links to fabrications that try to argue different. I already know they are false.
And so does the government.
So what is your issue, Wendy?
The Knuckle Dragger got away with another one .
From the 1898 decision in, United States v. Wong Kim Ark.
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The Constitution of the United States, as originally adopted, uses the words “citizen of the United States,” and “natural-born citizen of the United States.”
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The Constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words, either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except insofar as this is done by the affirmative declaration that “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.” In this as in other respects, it must be interpreted in the light of the common law, the principles and history of which were familiarly known to the framers of the Constitution.
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The fundamental principle of the common law with regard to English nationality was birth within the allegiance, also called “ligealty,” “obedience,” “faith,” or “power” of the King. The principle embraced all persons born within the King’s allegiance and subject to his protection. Such allegiance and protection were mutual — as expressed in the maxim protectio trahit subjectionem, et subjectio protectionem — and were not restricted to natural-born subjects and naturalized subjects, or to those who had taken an oath of allegiance, but were predicable of aliens in amity so long as they were within the kingdom. Children, born in England, of such aliens were therefore natural-born subjects.
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The term “citizen,” as understood in our law, is precisely analogous to the term “subject” in the common law, and the change of phrase has entirely resulted from the change of government. The sovereignty has been transferred from one man to the collective body of the people, and he who before as a “subject of the king” is now “a citizen of the State.”
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The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.
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All persons born in the allegiance of the King are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England.
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The first section of the second article of the Constitution uses the language, “a natural-born citizen.” It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth. Undoubtedly, this language of the Constitution was used in reference to that principle of public law, well understood in this country at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, which referred citizenship to the place of birth.
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How can any sane person read the above and not come to the conclusion that if you were born here, then you are a natural born citizen and elegible to be POTUS, even if your parents were not citizens?
That post basically states the court determined a citizen to be subject to the state and a natural-born citizen is something granted at birth within the state. The US is the state, and thanks for making the point that if you are born here, you are a natural-born citizen and thus eligible to be POTUS.
OK, I’ll buy you line of BS. So, now that that is out of the way then we can handcuff and shackle the war criminals bush, cheney, yoo and the rest and hand deliver them to the Hague so that the war crime tribunal can begin. Hopefully they give them the same sentence as Herman Goehring and the rest of the Nuremberg war criminals got.
This lady is an embarrassment to her family and to the city of Mission Viejo. I really wish they would stop listing her as being from this great city. She is from Russia…has anyone stopped to verify her legal credentials to practice law, and the twenty other professions she claims, in this state? Do us all a favor and go back to Russia and stop embarrassing your kids. What you really do is go get your head checked!
First they came for the crazy Republicans and I said nothing…
Kool Aid for everyone
I know some Republicans personally, who are intelligent and worthy people, even if they have a different view of our priorities.
And these people, they are no Republicans.
LadyInRed, Windfall, Vicky, Lori - I suspect they were planted by the DNC to make the opposition look silly and drive the best of the Republicans into the Independent, or even the Democratic columns.
Yea, how about all those looney tunes with teabags dangling from their hats and holding up nasty, racist slogans on nasty racist signs?
Those DNC plants too?
mensarino….Sorry but it’s my country too and since I’m not a lemming I’d like to know if he was born in the U.S or Kenya. In the case I would go to mexico do you know if I could get on welfare and live off the citizens? maybe there’s even an organization like ACORN could buy me a house on the beach…..oh,no I just remembered you can’t sneak into mexico and the house on the beach is out of the question since a foreigner can’t own property on the beach and mexico has laws against illegals so checks legal status . I got mexico and united states mixed up for a moment so I guess I have to stay.
It’s like osmosis, People of constant higher concentration naturally flow to places with lower population. It’s simple really, Mexico doesn’t have the room for us as well.
since you are not a lemming as you say…
then surely one might assume that you would have the intelligence to understand:
Hawaii already told you where he was born. Several times. They have told you that the form used for the online copy is completely valid.
Explain please.. how is it that you DON’T KNOW?
the world knows. Hawaii knows. The FBI/ Homeland security knows.
Taitz and worldnetdaily don’t know, or pretend to not know.
And are making big money off continuing to sell you a scam.
vicky—–You totally lost focus on the topic at hand.I didn’t bring up Mexico.You must have A.D.D.
Do yourself a favor,stop listening to the crazies and realize that if Obama wasn’t eligible to be president this would have been disclosed long ago by one or more of his opponents.
For your information,Mexico doesn’t just accept anyone in.I’m certain you do not qualify.
A little history lesson. In the latter part of the 19th century, the United States, in one of its less glorious moments, enacted a series of laws known as the Chinese Exclusion Acts. The point of these laws was that Chinese laborers were welcome to come to the U.S. and work but they were denies the perks of U.S. citizenship. In the Wong Kim Ark case, the son of a Chinese couple, who was born in San Francisco left to visit China. When he returned, he was refused entry at the port of San Francisco. He sued, claiming that he was a citizen under the 14th amendment.
He won the case and the U.S. represented by a Mr. George Collins, appealed the decision, they lost and it was appealed again, all the way to the Supreme Court. As noted above, the Supreme Court upheld the lower courts decisions and ruled that Wong Kim Ark was indeed a natural born citizen (see the above quotes from that opinion).
Of note is the aregument that Mr. Collins presented to support his case in the Supreme Court. In his written brief, his last and best argument was as follows:
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For the most persuasive reasons we have refused citizenship to Chinese subjects; and yet, as to their offspring, who are just as obnoxious, and to whom the same reasons for exclusion apply with equal force, we are told that we must accept them as fellow-citizens, and that, too, because of the mere accident of birth. There certainly should be some honor and dignity in American Citizenship that would be sacred from the foul and corrupting taint of a debasing lineage. Are Chinese children born in this country to share with the descendants of the patriots of the American Revolution the exalted qualification of being eligible to the Presidency of the nation, conferred by the Constitution in recognition of the importance and dignity of citizenship by birth?
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How many of you can see the same racist arguments being made by the birthers?
(oh, and as an interesting side note, 7 years after losing that case in the Supreme Court, George D. Collins was jailed for bigamy and perjury. Justice can be slow but sweet sometimes.)
Oh, and note, that even Collins conceded the fact that being born a citizen was enough to qualify one to be POTUS.
Birthers take a face plant into a big heaping pile of FAIL.
Where’s she going to get that $20 grand?
Its going to be a wet evening. Good night to chase ambulances.
3 good accidents should cover the costs.
ah, but the story isn’t over YET.
Taitz is not done with defying the authority of Judge Land. Let’s see how long it takes to rack it up to $50,000. Or.. maybe.. 30 days in jail for willfully refusing to pay a legitimate court ordered fine.
or some unnessessary dental work. Nothing like a root canal to pay the bills.
Mensarino- Wow ! Vicky just called you Out !!!!!!!!!
In what parallel universe did that occur?She is not capable .
Has anyone used the term “sheeple” yet? I love when the Republican Extermist call people that.
Did anyone try to sue Bush for being the 9/11 mastermind? lol
Actually, one of the birther lawyers, Phillip Berg tried that and was slapped down for that as well.
It is interesting and relevant that Judge Land is a Bush 43 appointee, and I don’t think the GOP would want known its complicity, and/or conspiracy with the Pelosi-Dems to enable the Usurper’s ‘Presidency’. On the other hand, Judge Carter is a Bill Clinton appointee, and by Hillary’s TV comments over the weekend, is planning on assuming the Congressionally-selected Presidency on Obama’s ejectment. (And by McCain’s TV comments over the weekend, it looks like ‘12 now to be Palin/Pawlenty v. Clinton/yet to be determined.)
I’d like to see Slimbaugh stop flapping his arms and run for office himself. Or offer better solutions to cure the massive ills Bush and Cheney caused this country. I do know he could come up with a better prescription pill plan, as he had a great one going for himself. He’s only an entertainer, but I am thankful to live in a country that allows loud mouths to air their views for money and ratings only.
Ditto!
Vicky: I hope you are not a mother! Just the thought of more Vickies and/or Victors out there is scarey. You are out there my dear!!! Stop with the talking points! You are an embarassment to all women out there. Stay off the meds that Taitz gave you!
sorry mensarino, it was nathan who told me to go to mexico . you just voted me off the island.
Wow. To the tards claiming he is not your president: uh, you don’t get to make that choice. The electorate does. As long as you are a citizen of this country he is your president until another succeeds him. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean that he isn’t your president. You can spout off all you like (but please, try to refrain from wasting the court’s time and taxpayer money filing frivolous lawsuits trying to make your ridiculous point) but saying it doesn’t make it so. And to think the Right always favored the tactic of calling into question how patriotic anyone who questioned their guy’s actions were, they sure don’t seem to like how the shoe fits on the other foot. I’m not saying “love it or leave it.” But just so you know, if you really don’t want him to be your president any longer, you can always renounce your citizenship. In fact, I’d be willing to bet that there are people who would line up to help you do so.
OCRO…I am a mother and I raised my children to think for themselves and ask for proof if they doubt something.
We will soon be filing a lawsuit alleging that Barack Obama, while born in Hawaii, has falsified his Hawaiian birth certificate to show that he was born in 1961. In fact, he was born in 1958, before Hawaii became a state. Therefore, he is not a natural-born citizen. Further, I have documents to prove that Obama’s mother became a Kenyan citizen and renounced her US citizenship to become a Muslim, as required by her husband. She was abandoned by her Kenyan husband so she could marry an Indonesian Muslim, but always retained her Kenyan citizenship. If you are interested in copies of these documents, just e-mail Orly and request a copy. A small donation of $50 to cover the postage and photocopying expenses will be required..
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
Just what this circus needed,another con man clown.
=== “We will soon be filing a lawsuit alleging that Barack Obama, while born in Hawaii, has falsified his Hawaiian birth certificate to show that he was born in 1961. In fact, he was born in 1958, before Hawaii became a state. Therefore, he is not a natural-born citizen.” ===
You do realize, don’t you, that it wouldn’t matter?
In 1958, Hawaii was an organized incorporated teritory of the United States.
As such it was subject to the full extent of the U.S. Constituion. Anyone born in Hawaii 1n 1958 was as much a natural born citizen of the U.S. as someone born in 1961.
You lost before you even started.
BATTLE HYMN OF THE UNSINKABLE BIRTHERS!
(Sung to the tune of “The Battle Hymn of the Republic”)
Mine eyes have not yet seen
Obama’s birth certificate.
It is in the Devil’s Vault,
Where only God’s Right Hand can get.
Obama’s C. O. L. B. is a
Lousy counterfeit.
It’s truth we’re marching for!!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
It’s truth we’re marching for!!!!
We shall fight the Masked Usurper
On the beaches, in the hills.
We shall fight this Painted Joker
On the seas and in the fields.
We shall fight to Hell and back
And into court and with appeals.
It’s truth we’re marching for!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
Orly! Orly! Hallelujah!!!
It’s truth we’re marching for!!!!
(Author grants permission to reprint on web or in print and to perform in public)
That’s either really funny, or really sad, depending on the intent. No, It’s funny either way. I just hope you don’t really idolize this fraud.
I have ONE question for all of you!
Why doesn’t Obama just provide a certified Hawaiian birth certificate to the Court and this whole thing would be a moot issue? I find it amazing that he chooses instead to pay over a million dollars to fight each of the lawsuits.
Complicating the issue is that he also will not allow his other records to be made public … like his school/college records? It causes any objective person to wonder why and what they contain that has caused Obama to be so secretive.
What began as a non-issue for the vast majority of people has now changed to a rather large group of people who have become curious. Judge Carter made the most logical statement so far when he said “Let’s decide this issue one way or another, because both parties deserve it to end”. Not sure that was the exact quote, but it has made the most sense so far in this strange chain of events. I, for one, would like it to be resolved right here in Santa Ana.
Obama owes you nuts nothing.As a citizen of the U.S. he is not compelled to release grades or anything else.The sane people are satisfied he is a citizen of the U.S..You need to get a life,you people are becoming a walking joke.
BJO, he has, yes, he has. And, sadly, it’s still not enough for you!
Please, tell me exactly what records you need.
I will provide them within 24 hours. And yet, you still will claim them to be fraudlent. ‘But I will provide nonetheless.
BJO,
Could you point to a legitimate site that details the “millions” Obama has paid to fight lawsuits?
Would love to see something more substantial than a right wingnut talking point.
BJO asks: === “Why doesn’t Obama just provide a certified Hawaiian birth certificate to the Court” ===
BJO, he has done one better, he released an image of it on-line so EVERYONE can see it, not just a court.
It wouldn’t make any difference if a court saw it anyway.
EVERY court of law in the U.S. is bound by the law to accept it as prima facie evidence that he was born in Honolulu.
You lose.
Orly may also be sued by her former client, the Army captain.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/16/connie-rhodes-birther-cha_n_288814.html
“UPDATE: The Army captain who challenged President Obama’s birth certificate in court is renouncing her former lawyer, Orly Taitz. Capt. Connie Rhodes wrote to the judge…that she did not authorize the emergency request for stay of deployment that Taitz filed on her behalf.
“I did not authorize it and do not wish to proceed,” Rhodes wrote. “Ms. Taitz never requested my permission nor did I give it.” She added that she plans to file a bar complaint against Taitz herself for “her reprehensible and unprofessional actions.”
Taitz needs psychiatric help.
Obama’s clearly an android, built by the Soviet Union, but sold to Al-Qaeda as a way to conquer America.
Run Orly, Run. The Muzzies are coming!!!
Orly is VERY grandiose. She is a Russian émigré who attended a fifth rate Santa Ana based online law school; works as a dentist AND realtor; and tries to take down the President of the US in her spare time.
Maybe tomorrow she will declare herself “Queen of the Universe?”
When the hell is the California State Bar going to get off its duff and DISBAR THIS LOON!!!!!
I wonder how many times this delusional woman saw this headline playing in her scattered brain?: “Two bit Russian émigré and correspondence school lawyer accomplishes what shoe-pounding (‘We will bury you‘) Nikita Khrushchev could not: Takes Down President of the US.”
NOT!
Mr. Obama is disqualified for the office of President,
not being a “natural born citizen.”
“No person except a natural born citizen… shall be eligible to the office of President;” the U.S. Constitution, Art. II, § 1.
Pat Boone asks, “Where is the Birth Certificate?”
http ://wnd. com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=102330
“Debunking the Obamatoids” by Lynn Stuter
http ://www .newswithviews.com/Stuter/stuter146.htm
“Obama Presidential Eligibility - An Introductory Primer” by Stephen Tonchen
http ://people.mags. net/tonchen/birthers.htm
(Birthers who consider Mr. Obama’s birthplace to be of vital importance are not agreed upon Leo Donofrio’s opinion (Section 18) about Mr. Obama’s British protected subject status conferred from his father. There is room for both opinions, as Mr. Obama is vulnerable on both flanks. Infighting about which is valid is counter-productive.)
Mario Apuzzo, Esq., attorney for Kerchner v. Obama
http ://puzo1.blogspot. com/
Philip J. Berg, Esq., attorney for Hollister v. Obama a/k/a Soetoro, Berg v. Obama, and Berg as Relator v. Obama
http ://www.obamacrimes. info/
Leo Donofrio, Esq.: legal authorities about natural born citizenship
http ://naturalborncitizen.wordpress. com/
Dr. Orly Taitz, Esq., attorney for Barnett v. Obama (formerly Keyes v. Obama)
http ://www.orlytaitzesq. com
“Dr. Ron Polarik” debunks the COLB forgery presented by DailyKos and FactCheck
http ://polarik.blogtownhall. com/2008/11/22/obamas_born_conspiracy
_obamas_bogus_birth_certificate_exposed%21.thtml
Pamela Gellar on “Obama’s Birth Certificate Forgery”
A few have declared the forensics expert a fraud, but, except for - maybe - one or two details, his analysis is sound.
http ://atlasshrugs2000.typepad. com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html
ALIPAC research on Barack Obama’s Constitutional ineligibility
http ://www.alipac. us/ftopic-137238-.html
A dozen reasons why the DailyKos / FactCheck “Certification” is a forgery.
http ://www.alipac. us/ftopic-137238-days0-orderasc-1403.html
As a person who was born a British protected subject, whose birth was governed by British law, how could Barack Obama be a natural born U.S. citizen?
It is revealing that many on this blog spend their time name calling rather than responding in a civil manner.
Bryan wondered which documents Obama has not released to the public or to any Court.
For starters, the original Hawaiian Birth Certificate should be given to the Court and examined by several professionals for authenticity.
Next, there is a question about how Obama, as a young man with no apparent source of money and using drugs was able to get into the top colleges. Many would like to see his high school and college records, to see if he was qualified and if not why and how he was accepted in Ivy League Universities? We might have learned more about this man if we were allowed to read his thesis.
He travelled to other countries throughout those earlier years. What passport did he use and specifically where did he go? Yes, there is an interesting conspiracy theory going around the internet about that too.
BUT, all Obama would have to do to stop all of the conspiracy theories is to release any and all records to the public. If I remember correctly, he campaigned on TRANSPARENCY. Wouldn’t giving permission for all of his records, including his birth certificate, be released to credible sources for authentification demonstrate he is a man of his word?
I agree. And I’m still waiting for Glenn Beck to come out and prove that he didn’t rape and murder a young girl in 1999. Guilty until proven innocent I say!
You and your other conspiracy nuts are owed nothing .
Are you one of those nutters demanding that he release his kindergarten records?
Kindergarten?
How much more insane can you get?
BJO: == “He travelled to other countries throughout those earlier years. What passport did he use and specifically where did he go? Yes, there is an interesting conspiracy theory going around the internet about that too.” ==
Are you refering to the theory that he was a CIA agent?
Rep John Campbell has lost a compatriot?
Remember his interview on the subject?
And of course the biggest delusional republican non-sense is coming from South OC. Way to support a stereotype Orly! The rest of the OC republicans are better off supporting John McCain and his attempt to take back the party from people like Dr. Taitz, Esq.
The republican party has willingly given over a lot of attention and power to people like Taitz, and let Limbaugh and Beck be the spokespeople of the party. Now the party is suffering for it. Time to grab it back, if you can.
Not that I expected anything different, but I noticed that the birthers pushing the “He’s ineligible because his father was Kenyan” nonsense shut up after I posted the judges opinion in the Wong Kim Ark decision, above.
All of obama’s records are sealed . No one really knows his background. Why are thy sealed? Why does he refuse to disclose his college records? Muslim mafia? Chicago mafia? He is connected to some very powerful people. Orly is right. The obama administration is so repressed. We now live in the United Socialist States of obamica
Why does anyone think his kindergarten records have any importance?
Who cares what his grades were in college?
Stick to the here and now.
What has he done that has made your life any worse that what it was under GWB?
The fines are too low, it should be minimum 10 million dollars
and 10 years in prison for abusing the legal privileges and
spread false rumors about the US President
She should be thrown in jails and locked up for life with all the
propaganda and nonsenses without proof
Read the Judge’s order. He explains the limits to the fines quite nicely.
Can we just see the darn birth certificate already and get this over with?!?!?
Sheesh, just look it up on line the president posted it over a year ago.
Get a life.
This is why correspondence law schools need to go away. If she had actually gone to a real law school, she would’ve been weeded out by the rigors of a three or four year program. The court’s ruling makes clear that she has no appreciation of advocacy, that she fails to understand her duties as an officer of the court, or even the role that the courts play in our system of government. The courts adjudicate disputes between parties that have a tangible stake in the outcome of the case. They don’t hear cases brought on a whim. Or at least, shouldn’t. Maybe going to a real law school would impart that responsibility to her, and she wouldn’t be acting as such a fool.
But probably not.
Latest just in. The Obama fraud goes deeper. Why doesn’t Obama want us to know his heritage? Because he’s not half black! He is 100% Irish. He’s been wearing black face for his entire life so he could take advantage of the Affirmative Action program.
How did Glen Beck miss this one? I’m disappointed.
Things are not what they appear.
Oh, Orange County, I will never be suprised by the scrutiny and given to the Democrat and the free ride to a Republican. Not all Republicans are correct and all Democrats are not wrong. Listen to yourselves you sound like a bunch of 5 year olds.
Maybe she should have been fined more…If she keeps this cr@p up she should be confined on a 5150 hold.
Lay off the kids. You only make yourself look bad.