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Obama-birthplace lawsuit in O.C. plagued by infighting
September 8th, 2009, 1:20 pm · 149 Comments · posted by Martin Wisckol, Politics reporter
Updated at 3:55 p.m.
In the federal lawsuit claiming that Barack Obama cannot legitimately be president, today’s hearing in Santa Ana focused not on documents that allegedly prove he was Kenyan-born but on the conflicts of plaintiff’s attorney Orly Taitz.
Judge David O. Carter dismissed Taitz’s motion to have two of her clients removed from the case and also tossed her motion to have Magistrate Judge Arthur Nakazato removed from the case. Carter said there was no basis in Taitz’s complaint that Nakazato was biased against her in an earlier administrative ruling.
Additional, Carter told Taitz that she had no choice but to work with Gary Kreep, the attorney now representing the two clients Taitz wanted removed from the case. Taitz had said she would not work with Kreep because of past conflicts between the two, and because they viewed the case differently.
Carter set tentative dates for other pre-trial matters and said that if the case isn’t resolved before then, a trial will begin on Jan. 26.
While it was a rough patch for Taitz this morning, she has her supporters. About 100 backers were on hand in the Santa Ana federal courthouse’s ninth-floor corridor when she showed up a little after 8 a.m. They offered a round of applause as she made her way to Carter’s courtroom.
When Carter finally got to her suit at 11 a.m., he started by thanking her for finally get her complaint properly filed, saying the process “seems never ending.”
Carter repeated said he was eager to get the matter settled.
“If President Obama fits the qualifications under the rules of the court, the longer the delay the more credibility it lends to the complaint,” he said. “If President Obama does not meet the court’s requirements, the delay also causes a problem.”
The most immediate delay concerning Carter involved the conflict between Taitz and Kreep. Taitz wanted Kreep to file his own case and stay out of her way. Carter said that even if there were separate cases filed, they would likely be joined together at the request of the the defendents’ attorney, with the end results of simply slowing the process down.
“Why can’t the two of you work out the disagreements you have?” Carter said. “Do each of you want the spotlight? … You are about to cause a tremendous delay because of your bickering.”
Carter then called a 15-minute recess, and directed Kreep and Taitz to step into the hall and figure out a way to work together. Kreep went into the recess agreeing to work with Taitz and returned with the same position. But, “Ms. Taitz said there is no way she will work with me,” Kreep told Carter when proceedings resumed.
Carter said that was not acceptable.
“This is a personal dispute. You two are going the have to work it out,” he said. “The country is ill-served by excessive delay.”
Taitz and Kreep previously joined forced in a lawsuit that unsuccessfully attempted to halt Secretary of State Debra Bowen from submitting Obama’s electoral votes from California. That’s the case the caused the bad blood between them.
As for their different approaches to the case, Taitz believes the constitution - while not saying so explicitly - intended to require presidents to not only be U.S. born but to be the offspring of two U.S. citizens. Kreep wants to focus solely on the issue of Obama being born abroad.
Motion for dismissal
Carter also told Taitz that he like to keep the lawsuit focused narrowly on the issue of Obama’s qualifications for president and asked her to considered removing Michelle Obama, Hillary Clinton, Robert Gates and Joe Biden as co-defendants.
Assistant U.S. Attorney Roger West says in his motion for dismissal that none of the four are clearly accused of wrongdoing.
But the primary thrust of that motion, scheduled to be heard by Carter on Oct. 5, is that the issue of whether or not Obama meets the citizenship requirements to be president is a matter for Congress and the Electoral College to decide - not the courts.
During this morning’s proceedings, Carter said he had not yet read the motion to dismiss the case. But he said such motions, when based on Federal Rules of Civil Procedure 12 (b), rarely succeed. That is the rule cited by West in his motion.
Surprise witness
This morning, Taitz also tried to introduce a surprise witness - I believe it was the person who produced the Obama’s Kenyan alleged birth certificate (see first link below, which includes a photo of the document filed Friday).
Taitz said the man’s life was in danger and so testimony should be taken immediately to guarantee that the opportunity to interview him was not lost.
Carter wasn’t biting, especially since it was not a hearing to take testimony.
“I don’t intend to hear witnesses on the fly,” he said. “I don’t intend to hear witnesses without of (advance) notification of the other party.”
Even Kreep said Taitz was out of line with the request.
“You can’t just bring people to court and then expect them to be allowed to testify,” he said. “I think Dr. Taitz means well. … We need to proceed professionally.”
Here are some related stories - starting with my rundown of Taitz’s Friday filing of what she claims is Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate (this is different that the birth registration she previously filed and was called a forgery by experts).
Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate alleged in O.C. lawsuit
Hawaii’s chief public health officer confirms Obama’s birth there
Annenberg Public Policy Institute investigates Obama U.S. birth documents, determine them to be authentic
Obama’s birth registration called a forgery by experts
Paperwork tangles O.C. suit against Obama
O.C. attorney suing Obama wants judge thrown out
Two plaintiffs dump lawyer Taitz in O.C. suit against Obama
Claim of Obama’s Kenya birth record thrown out
Poll: 23% of Americans unsure Obama born here
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What a waste of the court’s time and money!
Obama is an American citizen.
Prove It!!!!!
okay you prove first sarah palin’s high school diploma, and we have planty to show you that the president is a citizen.
well I will make it easy for you, you prove us you have a HS diploma…?
Being a citizen is not enough to be POTUS, Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 clearly says a natural born citizen.
Although some people think this means only being born in the United States there are enough references to the fact that both parents must also be citizens at the time of birth to remove the chance of the child being born with dual citizenship and more importantly dual loyalties.
Being an American citizen isn’t all that is required to be president. He has to be born here, but he won’t show that. To enroll my kids in school, I have to prove where they live. To be President, he has to prove that he is eligible. Until then, he is not the president.
thank you rob. if 0bama couldn’t pass an fbi background check, he should not be president.
I think the FBI, CIA and other government agencies have looked into Obama’s background before he was elected President. Most likely when he was elected to the senate a complete background investigation was done on him.
if one parent is a United States Citizen, then the child is a United States Citizen. John McCain was born in the Canal Zone - does that make his citizenship questionable as well?
Your liberal mafia already tried that one too. Problem was McCain passed the test. Your Hope and Change could all just be a lie. BTW how is the HOPE and CHANGE working out for you? Did you get your check yet?
YES! Both of McCains parents were US citizens at the time of his birth, but he was not born on US soil. Congress held a hearing on this a declared he was a natural born citizen passing a resolution, but that resolution is not law and can not change the constitution. Only an amendment to the constitution can change constitutional law.
Obama is NOT a natural born citizen REGARDLESS of where he was born because BOTH his parents were not US citizens. Obama was born with DUAL citizenship. He owes allegiance to both the US and Britain. Even if he renounces his British citizenship that can not change his citizenship status at birth since you must be BORN a natural born citizen to be POTUS. At best, IF Obama was born here he is only a US citizen and NOT a natural born citizen. That is the law of the land like it or not.
John S. McCain is not a United States Citizen, because John S. McCain II nevered married Roberta Wright in TJ in 1933 and Reberta Wright at the time
of John S. McCain III’s birth in Colon, Panama on 29 August 1936 was no
employeed by either the United States Government of the Panama Rail Road
Company.
Sincerely, Mark Seidenberg, Vice Chairman, American Independent Party.
He has to be born here and BOTH parents have to be US citizens at the time of birth. Only ONE parent was a US citizen. Obama was born a DUAL citizen if he was born here, So regardless of where he was born he is not a natural born citizen and merely just a US citizen at best.
How can someone be born a DUAL citizen owing allegiance to two countries at birth and be a natural born citizen at the same time??? Impossible!
Follow the Constitution:
You are 100% correct and thank you for all the detail. I was born in Germany, my dad in the military. Both parents U.S. Citizens. I had dual citizenship up to age 18. I then had to renounce one for which I’m officially a U.S. citizen.
Obama’s father was not a U.S. citizen and I don’t understand why people who are U.S. citizen’s don’t understand this concept! To me I don’t care if you are left or right, the FACT of the matter is he should not be President due to this technicality. I have nothing againt Mr. Obama at ALL. What’s far is far and if you don’t know what you are arguing then go do your research and bring it to the table.
Ltuser, the hope and change are working out fine for me. The only downside is the fringe of media hogging loonies that have co-opted the republican party. Why would I expect a check? Is that what it’s all about for you? What you can get, what you can do to rip off the government in the name of patriotism? What a loser.
The Constitution of the United States, as originally adopted, uses the words “citizen of the United States,” and “natural-born citizen of the United States.”
The Constitution nowhere defines the meaning of these words, either by way of inclusion or of exclusion, except insofar as this is done by the affirmative declaration that “all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.” In this as in other respects, it must be interpreted in the light of the common law, the principles and history of which were familiarly known to the framers of the Constitution.
The fundamental principle of the common law with regard to English nationality was birth within the allegiance, also called “ligealty,” “obedience,” “faith,” or “power” of the King. The principle embraced all persons born within the King’s allegiance and subject to his protection. Such allegiance and protection were mutual — as expressed in the maxim protectio trahit subjectionem, et subjectio protectionem — and were not restricted to natural-born subjects and naturalized subjects, or to those who had taken an oath of allegiance, but were predicable of aliens in amity so long as they were within the kingdom. Children, born in England, of such aliens were therefore natural-born subjects.
The term “citizen,” as understood in our law, is precisely analogous to the term “subject” in the common law, and the change of phrase has entirely resulted from the change of government. The sovereignty has been transferred from one man to the collective body of the people, and he who before as a “subject of the king” is now “a citizen of the State.”
The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.
All persons born in the allegiance of the King are natural-born subjects, and all persons born in the allegiance of the United States are natural-born citizens. Birth and allegiance go together. Such is the rule of the common law, and it is the common law of this country, as well as of England.
The first section of the second article of the Constitution uses the language, “a natural-born citizen.” It thus assumes that citizenship may be acquired by birth. Undoubtedly, this language of the Constitution was used in reference to that principle of public law, well understood in this country at the time of the adoption of the Constitution, which referred citizenship to the place of birth.
(Supreme Court of the United States, 1898)
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How hard is that to understand?
He is America’s president, Rob. If he’s not your president, you must not be an American.
Make sure you turn in your card on your way out the door.
Why then is Mr. Obama paying millions to attorney’s to seal ALL of his records, school records, birth certificate, passport information, etc. For ONLY $12.00 he could get a copy of his Birth Certificate—-why hasn’t he done this? On Mr. Obama’s own website he states he is a “native” born citizen…why didn’t he state a “natural born citizen” like the CONSTITUTION states. He is a student of the Constitution so he knows the difference. Apparently he also learned how to get around, circumvent the law and constitution. Apparently you do not care about our Constitution, or laws, and you do not care to know the truth. If he lied, deceived and committed fraud it’s okay now that he is in office—no reason to clear this up…we no longer need the truth.
Why? He isn’t. There isn’t a shred of proof that he has spent “millions” to seal this information. The people who started this bogus line of argument simply took the total spent on legal fees by the campaign, determined that one of the firms receiving campaign legal fees also answered the Berg lawsuit, and decided that 1+1=4.
When you get sued, you have to respond, or the other side’s allegations are deemed admitted.
Now - point me to a legitimate source, i.e. something that includes citations to verifiable facts, that President Obama’s records are “sealed” beyond the level that any other citizen’s records are not accessible for viewing by the general public. I’d love to see it, and will be waiting anxiously.
Actually, there is. At the end of March, Obama’s official report to the FEC stated that his “legal fees” paid to Perkins & Coie, the same firm that defended Osama bin Laden’s driver, were close to $1,000,000. It then became a matter of public record. This was reported at http://www.worldnetdaily.com and http://www.therightsideoflife.com with complete backup information.
There has never been a president who began his term with that type of legal bill. It appears that the DNC is actually paying the expenses. The last report released stated that the legal fees are now up to $1.4 million. That appeared in WorldNetDaily about three weeks ago. Check their archives and it will be there.
Many people have requested, in writing, Obama’s college transcripts, high school records, grade school records, medical records and selective service registration. Anyone making such request has been refused. Normally these things are released early in a candidate’s campaign without fanfare. Obama’s supposed school where he attended kindergarten was recently asked for his kindergarten record, and the school administrator said that the records “had been lost.” How often has anyone been told that about school records?
I mailed in a FOIA request for Obama’s birth certificate and was referred to the Hawaiian Health Department. As if they’d actually comply with my request! I also asked for passport and travel records on Obama/Soetoro and they came up with some flimsy excuse for why the records weren’t available. They should be. He’s a federal employee, and under FOIA, all such records are supposed to be available to the public.
Because they’re not in the case of Soetoro, Kenneth Allen of Arizona has filed a lawsuit over it. He is now requesting the records of Barry Soetoro, so if Obama and Soetoro are two different people, there shouldn’t be any problem with the State Department releasing the requested information. They actually told Mr. Allen to file a lawsuit because they refused to provide the information.
And you think nothing is wrong with this picture?
The New World Order people wanted Obama in, figuring that because he was a good orator and a young unknown, he would fly. Well, he did, for a while, but only because the media was threatened not to discuss Obama’s questionable eligibility (www.canadafreepress.com). Had any such doubts been aired by the media during the campaign, he never would have won because he would have been asked pointed questions before the nomination. There is proof that radio personalities, TV anchors and even middle and upper managers were threatened with their careers if they breathed a word of Obama’s lack of eligibility. Now we are all paying the price for this massive, orchestrated coverup.
Jay, The day after moving into the White House, bo’s 1st official act was to sign a Presidential Declaration sealing all his records…birth, school, passports, Senate, draft registration, ALL his records…WHY ? If ha has nothing to hide,,why? You can fins the declaration listed on The Federal Resister. Check it out for yourself.
Jay, you will find a reply to your statements posted in the wrong place, but it is there, along with the place to check on the proof that bo has sealed his records by Presidental Declaration.
If you have a citation to support your claim, post it. I’ll wait.
“Obama is an American citizen.”
So is Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, but he can’t be President. He’s not a natural born citizen. So…how is obama a NBC if his father, assuming his father is Obama Sr., was not a citizen and had no plans for becoming one? Besides, how do you know where obama was born? Have you seen any proof?
Well, Judge Carter is going to give the defendant a chance to prove your claim once and for all.
You should be ecstatic.
Matt, Please pay attention! Your ADD is acting up again. If Barry was born in Hawaii to Barack H. Obama, Sr. and Ms. Dunham, then he is a “NATIVE BORN CITIZEN”. In order to be POTUS you must be a “NATURAL BORN CITIZEN”. What’s the difference? I’m glad you asked. One citizen parent on U. S. soil = Native Born Citizen…..okay so far….
Two citizen Parent on U. S. soil = Natural Born Citizen.
BARRY ONLY HAS ONE CITIZEN PARENT. Hence he can’t be and doesn’t qualify for the office of POTUS.
Okay…..class dismissed, except for you Matt;
Please write a million times on the board…..Barry Soetoro is an illegal alien!!!
Your assertions are completely baseless. Have you even wondered why no real lawyers take these crappy cases?
Then how does anyone ever become a natural born American citizen? Since this is a country of immigrants, and since, by your theory, only natural born citizens can beget natural born citizens, then none of us are natural born citizens.
What a complete waste of the Courts time. Can I sue Orly Taitz for being an idiot?
Also, I have a question for any Constitutional scholars out there. The Constitution says no person but a “natural born citizen…shall be president”. It doesn’t define “natural born citizen”. Unless I am mistaken, a child born to a US Citizen IS a citizen at birth, regardless of where in the world the birth takes place. If that is the case, wouldn’t President Obama be a natural born citizen regardless of where he was born? (BTW - I believe he was born in Hawaii like the State has proven multiple times.)
Thanks.
JB,
At the time of BO’s birth the US citizenship requirements stated that any child born to a woman under legal age whose father was a foreign citizen that child would take the citizenship of the FATHER!
I read somewhere that Stanley was 5 months shy of being the LEGAL age to bestow citizenship upon her child born to a foreign father.
Now we are not talking about the legal age in the sense of being 18 years old to be an adult. This was the legal age to bestow citizenship to your child and I think I read that the age (at the time BO was born) was 19 years old. Stanley was 18 years old when she gave birth.
Another thing to consider was that BO’s father was already married in Kenya, but he receive permission from that wife to take on a second wife, which was legal in Kenya, but is NOT legal in the US. So, that drums up a whole other issue of whether or not Stanley was legally married or an unwed teenager when she gave birth.
What a mess!
Not quite. If Obama was born in foreign country then his mother had to live in the US for at least 5 years after attaining the age of 14 which she was only 18 when he was born. She had to be 19 to pass her citizenship to Obama IF he was born outside the US. If he was born in the US then he would be a US citizen AND a British citizen, both, owing allegiance to both the US and Britain. He would be a dual citizen. Since his father was not a US citizen he can not be a natural born citizen since to be a natural born citizen you must be born on US soil AND both parents must be US citizens at the time of the child’s birth.
Some argue Obama’s British citizenship expired when he turned 21. Not true, but even if it were true nothing can change your citizenship status at the time of your birth. You must be BORN a natural born citizen. You can change the status 21 years later after the fact.
Nope! A “Natural Born Citizen” is one born on US Soil AND by TWO US Parents. BOTH parents must be US citizens. If you learn your history and research the writings from the framers of the constitution you will discover this is exactly what they meany by natural born citizen.
Also, if Obama was born in foreign country then he isn’t even a US citizen because the law at the time would not allow Obama’s mother to pass US citiznship to her son because she was not old enough at the time of his birth. That law still stands today for everyone effected by it during the time that law was in effect.
So even IF Obama was born here that only makes him a US citizen AND a British citizen since his birth follows his father’s citizenship regardless where he was born. So he is not a natural born citizen regardless of where he was born!
What you are saying is that if Osama bin Laden got an American girl pregnant then that child could be President of the US—-he will have our best interest at heart; he will have allegiance to our country, not his father or his country.
No because she is already guilty of being an idiot along with the rest of her loser allies who have nothing better to offer than wailing and moaning about the sorry state of the country.
America-Love it or Leave it!
Some people are so desperate that they are willing to look like total idiots. Get over it and move on!!! Obama is President and he was born in the USA.
Nancy says:
“Some people are so desperate that they are willing to look like total idiots. Get over it and move on!!! Obama is President and he was born in the USA.”
The President has the power to declare war and send our able young men and women to fight, kill and die. The President has the power to rain down nuclear destruction. You may or may not agree with the President’s decisions, but don’t you want to know that he/she is Constitutionally eligible to make them and to give our military the order to kill?
Wisckol: Are you so hard up for a job that you would even cover this trash? How low will OCR go?
No way;
You know what, maybye your right, maybe they should do what ABC, NBC, CNN, OCR & almost every other media outlit did w/ Van Jones.
Just wait & see if it wont go away. When it becomes impossible to contain, THEN & ONLY THEN
Hawaii lied, people died.
The comedy routine continues! LOL Obama could not have hoped for a better gift than this lawyer/dentist/real estate agent/nutjob.
I wonder what the fringe right will come up with next? I’m sure the OCR will be right on top of it, ad nauseum.
Is it a shame she lives in South OC? What a whack job.
The OCR should be sued for destroying the trees used to print this garbage. STOP feeding the lunatics on the right!
Taitz needs to be disbarred, and her followers rounded up into crazy people camps. We can’t trust their common sense anymore. Glenn Beck can be their President. Rush, Hannity, O’Reilly, Coulter can fight of VP. Then the rest of the reality-based community can get on with fixing the mess the Republicans made over the last 8 years.
So the way this works is they get to keep submitting new birth records, and after they get feedback on what’s wrong with the last one, they go back and “find” a new one after a mysterious unnamed source gets time to fix the mistakes with Photoshop?
Just like the Hawaii document.
Just like the Bush memos that Dan Rather had…right?
Don’t you just love it when the Wing-Nuts and Nut Cases fight among each other?! Poor Dave Carter. At least I hope sense of humor survives this silly case.
“Don’t you just love it when the Wing-Nuts and Nut Cases fight among each other?! ”
Hey! Just like congressman.
OMG! The crack legal team of Kreep & Taitz. You couldn’t write better material! Are we sure that this isn’t an elaborate SNL skit? Are we being Punked? LMAO!
Yes, Kreep and Taitz. Sounds very Dickensian.
looney tunes
This is a dead issue. Let the man have his 4 years of shame, and move on. His approval ratings have sunk very quickly since he ventured outside the teleprompter with is “acted stupidly” remark.
He’ll be a One & Done much like Jimmy Carter. Although he may (or may not) have good intentions, he will not be respected as a strong leader by the rest of the world, just like JC.
For those of you too young to remember, JC was the President when the U.S. Embassy was seized in Iran and U.S. hostages were held for 444 days…..until we elected a President that the world respected. The hostages were released the day Ronald Reagan was inaugurated.
Love him or hate him, the world respected and feared RR. I don’t believe the same will be said of BO when his term expires. The only fear BO will raise will be that of the U.S. Citizens left paying for his policies.
Its funny how you guys keep pointing to Jimmy Carter as being a one time President. It seems you guys for got that George H. W. Bush also failed to get reelected for a second term.
Most likely the economy will be doing well in 2012 and Obama will be able to say, YES WE DID!
I doubt it…..most recent study by two nobel laureate economists are predicting jobs won’t really track back until AT LEAST 2014. They believe B.O. is making the same mistakes FDR did (UCLA study also says this) back during the Great Depression.
B.O. is currently at the lowest approval rating of any U S President in their 7th month of office. The bloom is off the rose…already.
I’ll paraphrase the cookie-cutter response from the left:
“Yes yes, his approval rating is a little lower than it used to be. But it’s because he’s black… uh.. half-black.. uh.. well you know what I mean!”
Over 52% of the national electorate went and voted for him, but now any of these voters that have changed their approval/disapproval of Obama are supposedly ‘racists’ despite that fact? it’s bad enough calling anyone who didn’t happen to vote for “O” based on the actual issues the “r” word, but now resorting to even more name calling and finger pointing is just too much for words.
Actually the proof is on Barack Obama.
The Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, states,
“No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.”
Complicating the situation is Obama’s decision to spend sums estimated in the hundreds of thousands of dollars to avoid releasing a state birth certificate that would put to rest the questions.
Among the OTHER Documentation not yet available for Obama includes his
1) Kindergarten records
Scholarly articles from the University of Chicago
2) Punahou school records
3) Occidental College records
4) Columbia University records
5) Columbia thesis
6) Harvard Law School records
7) Harvard Law Review articles
9) Passport medical records
10) files from his years as an Illinois state senator,
11) his Illinois State Bar Association records
12) any baptism records,
13) and his adoption records.
We have a winner!
You election 2008 sore losers are making me laugh
They’re trying to make up for the 2000 and 2004 election sore losers from the left.
im not a crazy but why wont the guy show his COLB. why cant he show his real birth certificate and put this to rest. it’s just basic common protocol.
Another winner! No matter which side you’re on politically, tis is the real question.
It’s pure politics obviously. Just let your enemies flap in the wind as they continue to distance themselves from reality.
I saw his COLB, it looks just like mine. Apparently, that crazy look in your eye is blinding you.
Taitz will have a tough time trying to convince the Court to accept a Birth Certificate written in purple crayon as evidence.
This is so simple. have the FBI verify the validity of the birth cert. If they say it’s OK, then, so be it. If they say it isn’t, then he’s out.
Let’s clear this up once and for all.
he wont show his records for one reason. he knows that the information in those records is inflammatory. i would suspect he says much about his great white oppressors and that is why he refuses to release his recored. cause if all you white liberals knew the real obama youd NEVER support him. just a hunch!
I hope he isn’t a citizen and I voted for him. Having a president that appoints radicals and communist into the WH scares the crap out of me, (I know Van Jones hasn’t admitted in public since 2004 that he’s a communist) he’s not very professional calling anyone stupid, I still don’t know why he had his nose in the incident between Crowley/gates..
And you voted for him, thanks alot for jumping on that bandwagon with the other wagoneers
Too bad, Obama is the president and there’s NOTHING you can do about it. All these right wing nutcases can cry all they want, but it doesn’t do anything but make them look CRAZY…
I guess the Judge must be crazy too!! LOL.
This is going to trial! DEAL WITH IT!
Yup, unfortunately there are a lot of frivolous lawsuits out there that do nothing but waste people’s time and money. Obama was good enough for Harvard, good enough for the Senate, he’s good enough to be President..
Good for nothing Marxist American hater.
Did you say that about Bush? He was good enough for Yale, good enough for the state of Texas as Governor and good enough to be President? Something tells me you didn’t
People! It does NOT matter where Obama was born. Regardless of where he was born he still does not meet the natural born citizen requirement to be POTUS! So even IF he was born here that only makes him a born US citizen, not a natural born citizen. He can NOT be a natural born citizen because his father was not a US citizen. Obama was born with DUAL citizenship IF he was born in the US. To be a NATURAL born citizen you have to be born on US soil by TWO US Parents. BOTH of your parents have to be US citizens at the time of your birth! PERIOD!!!
the liberals didn’t study that in school. they just want to argue bc they had a bad day (probably bc their president is looking more like a fool than cool)
Seriously folks - there are better things for this county and state to spend money on at that is education. Education so our kids grow up to make informed decisions and think for themselves, unlike many of the right-wingers here in the OC who apparently feel this is good way to spend money - on a witch-hunt that is clearly pathetic. He can’t show his birth certificate because legally he not allowed to. As for the part about him having to spend all this money on bail-outs, he is doing it because of the legacy of mess and overspending left behind by the Bush Era, yes Bush! Grow up and really present the facts, not just those your right-wing mind feels necessary to bend to meet your sick need to complain!
Oh Please post the statue making it illegal for him to release his long form BC??? And I feel real sorry for you since you think our constitution means nothing and is a waste of time. That constitution is what makes YOU a free person in this country. Don’t take it for granted.
It’s a funny thing, but there is nothing in either the US Constitution OR US Law that says a “Natural Born Citizen is a Citizen born of two US citizen parents.
Nothing. None. Zip. US law recognizes two types of citizens:
1) Natural born, (also known as “native born”), meaning a citizen at birth due to:
a) Being born in the United States or on US Territory
b) Being born outside the United States to a US citizen parent or parents.
and
2) Naturalized, being someone who accepted US citizenship as an adult, renouncing previous citizenships.
US law also doesn’t say anything about dual citizenship at birth as a disqualification.
“Follow The Constitution” might want to spend more time READING THE CONSTITUTION, since he or she seems confused as to what it really says.
Oh, and BTW, de Vattel’s “Law of Nations” isn’t part of the US Constitution either.
Obama it’s the president DEAL WITH IT.!!
All you Racists should be investing more of your time getting a job or educating your self’s instead of be whining online.
What I learned about a racist. 99.9% of the time, those that accuse people of being racist are the ones that are the racist.
That’s the best that you can come up with?
rage you are obviously a man of a differen’t color, your “rage” is getting the best of you lol
Guys why don’t go and get a job, It looks you have nothing else to do, than talk stupidity.
go and get yourselves the HS diploma, because you will need it.
I have about as much respect for you “birthers” as I do for those who believe the moon landing was staged, and just a slight bit more than the flat earthers.
History books will make a mockery of you.
Add the conspiracy theorists that believe Bush caused 9/11 and you have proof there’s pinheads on both sides of the aisle.
Well, Philip Berg is both a Birther AND a 9/11 “Truther”, so I guess he’s two kinds of crazy.
vicky - I know what you are saying! I voted for him as well, but regret it now as I’m sure so many others do.
Judy….do you really care if we respect you or not?
mac, I’ve found that the people who call us racist or while I don’t want to break up families. don’t keep up with the issues all they can say on any subject , they never disgust the billions of dollars we spend on illegals we spend though entitlement program, the fact that 15 million citizens are unemployed and 7million illegals have jobs, until today it was illegal to ask their legal status. We passed E-verify, 287(g) needs to be expanded. We need to end birthright citizenship, they are coming over the border in droves. numbersusa.com
You sound like a scared racist, those from Mexico would still be here even if your forefather hadn’t of came to this country on a BOAT, you wouldn’t. They have more rights to this country than anyone that has roots over sea.
Folks you don’t fool anybody with that “White” attitude, the matter of fact is that deep in your souls hate can not be hiden.
and there’s the “pill that can NOT be swallow” that the president is an Intelligent person, and above all that is Black.
Jc, you mean, ” above all he’s HALF black, HALF white”
dude you have a chip on your shoulder. obama is not black, he is black and white, white and black however you want to say it. he is a mix of all of us. his color has nothting to do with it. if colin powell ran for president i would have voted
Stupid judge needs to be impeached
Correction!
The usurper needs to be removed.
Some people in this country still actually care about our constitution. It is sad how so many don’t.
The conservatives will do anything to keep this guy from being a success. I truly pity those that do not understand how this nation works. The idea is to work together, not back bite and pound your fist when you don’t get your way. It’s true, conservatives think with their emotions rather than their brains. They fear this guy because he is black and smarter than they are. Laughable…and pitiful. No wonder the world thinks the US is populated with idiots. Conservatives prove it every day.
Success???
What success? You call following Bush policies and shredding our constitution success? Spending generations of income success? Did you bump your head???
Mrgmorgan, it’s getting easier to just sit back and let the conservatives show the world just how ridiculous they really are. We don’t really have to help them along. they are doing just fine on their own.
He’s black and white. His roots are of the people that used to help the whites with getting his black brothers sent to America as slaves. All that voted for him, voted for a decendent of slave traders. His cousin Odinga was still killing black brothers, sisters and children in africa, because he didn’t win a stupid election. Look it up Raila Oding and Obama. Get educated people.
Wasn’t it Judge David Carter that sent Anna Nicole Smith into DECADES of litigation in California, Texas and Oregon, based on a Carter ruling? In these types of lawsuits, the attorneys get richer while valuable public resources are wasted.
Wasn’t it also Judge Carter who recently dismissed a plaintiff’s federal lawsuit regarding same sex marriage issues?
What does this Judge do to get all the HIGH PROFILE cases in the OC?
Hopefully it will be Judge Carter that gets the Americans justice in this case!
Your freedom depends on it!
“and there’s the “pill that can NOT be swallow” that the president is an Intelligent person, and above all that is Black.”
Stfu you race obsessed sicko. What a piece of garbage.
It is truly a pleasure watching the Republican Party self destruct…. keep it coming. And stop being such little children, you lost, you lost big time so get over it and try to come up with someone that isn’t a retard or senior citizen to run the country. Is there anyone in that party who isn’t?
HAHA
Nope! That party is no better or worse than the democrat party. Actually they are one in the same merely disguised as two parties just to keep a bunch of fools divided so they can stay in power. It has worked for decades and you people keep falling for it!
Get off the party thing. They both are corrupt. Anything arguing you see between them in the media is purely an act to keep the fools divided.
Learn to stick together with the people and unite as one so we can boot them all out and get our country back before it is to late and you lose all your freedom!
This is your wake up call! Don’t fall for the two party hype and become part of the solution that helps to rid Washington from all these crooks!
Here is a report from an eye witness at the hearing today. It appears Wisckol is brushing over the significance of the outcome of the hearing. The biggest news is that the motion to dismiss was NOT granted and a trial date has been set. This means there must be a “Discovery” phase where Obama’s team will need to produce the proof needed to at least satisfy the courts, even if it doesn’t satisfy the people. We are taking baby steps, but the truth will come out and BO will HAVE TO reveal who he REALLY is!
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The expedited trial has been set for Jan. 26, 2010, just 4 1/2 months from now!
I and many other concerned veterans and citizens attended the hearing today in Federal Court in Santa Ana in the lawsuit against Barack Obama to determine his eligibility to be President and Commander in Chief. About 150 people showed up, almost all in support of the lawsuit to demand that Obama release his birth certificate and other records that he has hidden from the American people.
Judge David Carter refused to hear Obama’s request for dismissal today, instead setting a hearing date for Oct. 5, since Obama’s attorneys had just filed the motion on Friday. He indicated there was almost no chance that this case would be dismissed. Obama is arguing this lawsuit was filed in the wrong court if you can believe that. I guess Obama would prefer a “kangaroo court” instead of a Federal court! Assuming Judge Carter denies Obama’s motion for dismissal, he will likely then order expedited discovery which will force Obama to release his birth certificate in a timely manner (if he has one).
The judge, who is a former U.S. Marine, repeated several times that this is a very serious case which must be resolved quickly so that the troops know that their Commander in Chief is eligible to hold that position and issue lawful orders to our military in this time of war. He basically said Obama must prove his eligibility to the court! He said Americans deserve to know the truth about their President!
The two U.S. Attorneys representing Barack Obama tried everything they could to sway the judge that this case was frivolous, but Carter would have none of it and cut them off several times. Obama’s attorneys left the courtroom after about the 90 minute hearing looking defeated and nervous.
Great day in America for the U.S. Constitution!!! The truth about Barack Obama’s eligibility will be known fairly soon - Judge Carter practically guaranteed it!
Video from the press conference after the hearing coming soon. Congratulations to plaintiffs attorney Dr. Orly Taitz! She did a great job and won some huge victories today. She was fearless!
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Eyewitness to the hearing
I sure hope Judge Carter follows through and doesn’t let this one slip through the cracks! America does deserve to know who their President is! Bravo to Judge Carter for having the b@lls to stand up to our corrupt government! Maybe justice will prevail after all!
Exactly what court hearing was your eyewitness at or better yet what were they smoking. The Motion to Dismiss is scheduled for October 5–so as of yet the judge has not ruled on this. A TENTATIVE trial date has been set, which means just that. Once the Motion to Dismiss has been granted, Orly will do what Orly always do and that will be scream and holler about nazi brownshirts and file another frivolous lawsuit.
It is amazing that some people don’t want to acknowledge the facts.
Obama has a birth certificate from Hawaii. That makes him a US citizen.
Case closed.
Anybody who is still asking for another “proof” is, quite frankly, detached from reality.
And please stop wasting taxpayer money on such a frivolous lawsuit.
Here’s one for ya’ll to chew on. If it turns out Obama was born in Kenya, then not only is Obama not a US citizen since his mother wasn’t old enough to pass her citizenship to him at the time he was born, but both of Obama’s kids would not be natural born citizens and they could never be POTUS someday since they also would be born with dual citizenship since Obama would be a foreigner. If it turns out Obama was born here then his kids are natural born citizens since both their parents were US citizens at their births.
He is a COMMUNIST and all you fools who voted for that him are stupid! He is just like Kennedy. You can’t say one negative thing about him and they just delet it. Just like the Communits that work at the OC Register will delet this comment. At least some people will read it before it gets deleted. He is the WORSE President to ever get elected. He is NOT an US Citizen!
He is a Communist!
Kreep and Titz. Sounds pretty competent to me. However I ‘d like to recommend my attorneys: Wee, Cheetam and Howe!
Only in O.C.—bring in the clowns!
Well Miseryrino,
Obviously JUDGE Carter believes there is something to this birth certificate thing, because he is letting this trial proceed!!!
Ha Ha Ha! “He who laughs last, laughs the loudest!”
Only in the OC? This judge is a Clinton appointee.
Kreep and Taitz? How funny.
Here is some video footage of the court proceedings on this case…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tqxzWdKKu8
Here, try this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhcR1ZS2hVo
Sirica and Nixon: A High Stakes Contest Over Executive Prvilege
Bring Criminal charges that Obama willingly and knowingly usurped the Office of the President of the United States when in fact he knew that he was ineligible due to the fact that he was born in Kenya.
That is the only logical explanation for Obama not releasing ANY of his records: Birth Certificate, college records, all of it. He knows that on those documents will be PROOF that Obama is Constitutionally ineligible to serve as the President of the United States.The day after being sworn in, Obama made his first Executive Order #13489 SEALING all of his records under the doctrine of Executive Privilege.
Obama signed a statement in Arizona during the campaign in which he stated that he was Constitutionally eligible.
Get a Federal Grand Jury to hand up a criminal indictment on both the criminal as well as the Constitutional issues. Then have a Federal Judge issue a subpoena for all of Obama’s records.
Now, Obama is in the same boat as Nixon was with his Oval Office tapes. And the only way off that sinking ship is to resign.
The United States Supreme Court in the case of United States vs. Nixon 418 U.S. 683 (1974) in an 8-0 decision ruled that the President’s claim of executive privilege does not extend to criminal cases.
Even Bill Clinton had to sit for a civil deposition in the Paula Jones sexual harassment lawsuit in the Map Room of the White House which directly led to his impeachment.
So in summation, there is no where for Barrack Hussein Obama to hide.
This is a game of Constitutional poker and Obama is bluffing…
BIG TIME!!
Absolutely correct! Obama had a law firm in Chicago investigate his eligibility problem back in 2005. He knew he wasn’t eligible, he even admitted to it in an interview that was even posted on youtube a couple of years ago. That has been scrubbed from the net along with everything else surrounding his past.
He has big money behind him and they went to great lengths to conceal this. But in the end the truth will eventually come out and the other elected officials and media won’t be able to ignore it once it does. Watch just how fast they all turn on him just to try and save their own skins.
Xavier Cugat—You are kidding yourself if you think this is going anywhere.
OCREADER—I wish I knew you so I could bet you a sizable wager.
mensarino, I’m glad I don’t know you.
petty
Typical RIGHT WINGERS! The only reason why these idiots are bring up such a false rumor is because they think Obama is a “socialist” and because of his name! Get a CLUE RIGHT WINGERS!!!!
Follow the Constitution
First of all what is corrupt here is the RIGHT WINGERS AGENDA!!! GET A CLUE RIGHT WINGER!!!!
Exactly what is the right winger agenda?
If you want to get a clue wake up and see what the real agenda is. It has nothing to do with left or right wingers. They are just being used as pawns. Do you even have the slightest clue to what is really going on?
The only drawback to getting rid of the charlatan Obama is …. BIDEN! However, I will take the lesser of two evils any time.
If Obama was truly born in Hawaii, then why has he spent one million dollars to prevent having to prove it? I mean, seriously, string it together dear democratic dunces.
sad, but true. amazing some people can manage to ignore this, or sweep it under the rug.
did Bush spend $1M to prevent releasing his National Guard records? just saying.
Here’s one for you all!
Rep. Jean Schmidt (R-OH) to a birther: “I agree with you”
Here Rep. Jean Schmidt tells a bither that she agrees with her that Obama is not constitutionally eligible to be POTUS, but says the courts don’t.
Listen carefully as she tries to whisper this to her.
Even our own politicians know it but aren’t saying anything!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YshG_Ok8idc
VERY SOON , THE EXPOSE ‘ WILL BE COMPLETE , AND THOSE WHO
SUPPORT NOBAMA AND THE DUBOCRATS WILL BE KNOWN AS —–
” AFTER - BIRTHERS “
Follow:
Finally, someone who has identified and understands the ONLY issue
re: “natural born”. His British father automatically prevents Obozo from being natural born. But why was this not deliberated in the U.S. Senate by Repubs when the treasonous democraps attempted to disqualify Mccain (of all people they go afteran American war hero!)
Van Jones is a chior boy compared to some others on the hill! The next few months is going to be fun as one after the other will be brought to light for everyone to see! The Lap dogs in the MSM will choke on their shame with the hard left! I think BHO IS DOING A Great job of showing the US\world just how loonie and radical the hard left really is! I heard someting last week from one of our congressmen that scared the hell out of me though, he said if it is proven that BHO is not legit that Biden would be out too… That would leave us with Peloci as the POTUS! He said after that realization the GOP in the house stopped looking any futher! Man do I miss Ol slick Willy & even Carter! 2010 can’t get here fast enough!!!!!!!
If Obama is out and then Biden is out, Peloci is also going to be out for not vetting obama. Her signature is stating that he is eligible to be POTUS under the Constitution, on the application the dems submitted for obama to run for POTUS. If it turns out she Lied, she will also be out (and we all know how Peloci lies all the time to suit her agenda).
Just show the birth certificate. Why spend 1.3 million in legal fees to avoid this simple thing unless you are hiding something. And by the way tard, the CIA and FBI does’nt do political vetting unless they worked for Hoover.
Why claim he spent $1.3M hiding his birth certificate when you can’t point to a shred of proof that this is true?
Honestly, people: which country would you believe has the most reliable record keeping? The United States or Africa?
I certainly have no doubts.
Seriously. I don’t know how many of those suspecting Obama’s birth certificate has actually been in Africa or Kenya, but if they have, they should know that in countries like that certain privileges exist only for born citizens. Who knows if Obama’s father, out of national pride, sentimentality, or intending to help him gain land in the future in his fathers homeland (not unusual), would have claimed a fake certificate in Kenya when he arrived there?
This is no conspiracy theories. I once served several years as a volunteer in third world countries, and trust me, they would create fake data on documentation ALL the time. Kids would be claimed to be born in regions they were not, would be stated to be older than they were (to enroll earlier in school so they could get back on the fields and labor within two years), or would be given someone else’s identity. This was everyday incidents, people. Not a single record could be fully trusted. This is why I feel we really don’t need “skilled laborers” from third world countries because 8 of 10 of their certificates and documentations will be fake anyways! They have too many problems in those countries, and bring the problems with them which then cost enormous money in law enforcement, added recordkeeping, benefits and aid and so on.
We need to provide aid and assistance to train our own citizens to fill skilled labored jobs, and list in all public media which exact jobs are in need and where to apply for training for them (with funding or grants assistance for those who still need to cover costs).
So whether Obama has a birth certificate from Kenya or not - I have serious doubts it is real. I can go to Kenya and pay $100 and I too can generate a birth certificate claiming I am a genuine Kikuyu African, white as I am (!), and assure this evidence is even in public records!
People don’t understand how other countries work, and misconstrude information all the time.
” BRING IN THE CLOWNS ” ? ? ?
THE END OF THE SONG GOES LIKE THIS :
” DON ‘ T WORRY , THEY ‘ RE HERE ”
THEY ARE IN WASHINGTON D.C. , AND EVERY
OTHER CITY WHERE THE ” CLOWNS ” VOTED
FOR THIS IMPOSTER .
THE AGENDA OF LEFT WING LIBERAL IS THE
TOTAL GOVERNMENT CONTROL OF OUR LIVES
AND TO SPEND AMERICA INTO OBLIVION . THE
DEMOCRAT PARTY HAS BEEN STOLEN FROM
YOU AND IS NO LONGER RECOGNIZEABLE
BECAUSE IT IS THE ” SOCIALIST PARTY “.
WAKE UP BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE .
More than just the birth certificate show the place… all the other records he is preventing from being seen, the school, the funding for school, the grants or scholarships… they show his record and qualification for aid… they will have shown his history also. So, just a release of his hold on those records will show more than just the place of birth, they will show all the lies. That is key, not just all the birth certificates out there, for the record will show the valid one. Left, you do not care, you believe, you anger at those who want truth, but you do not explain why he spends all that money trying to hide his records. He has something(s) to hide.
The money obama has spent to hide his lifetime records,is proof of his guilt. The USA is much too good to have to be brought down by a con such as he is. The favor of God is on Orly. The libs are very afraid as they should be.God Bless America
You birthers would be really funny if you weren’t so pitiful. Read the Scribd docs folks… read the US Constitution… then try to absorb it without your tin-foil hats on.
You can try to parse words all you wish, but you have no case and 99% of the country are laughing at you.
I am undecided on this matter. But I think most people might agree with the followowing:
1- Obama has gone to extraordinary lengths to keep many documents secret, including his original birth certificate with the name of the hospital and name of the attending physician.
2- An announcement of his birth was published in a Hawaii newspaper. But if he was born in Kenya, it is conceivable that this parents or grandparents might have submitted that misleading announcement just to make sure that Obama would have no problems claiming citizenship in the U.S. Just citizenship — they wouldn’t have to have been worrying about any “natural born” vs. “not natural born” distinction. In other words, the birth announcement COULD have been fake.
3- A copy of a supposed Kenyan birth certificate for Obama has been produced. It bears the name of a hospital and that of an attemding physician. Could be a real copy but the birth certificate itself COULD be a fake, as Rebant suggests. Obama’s father may have wanted to guarantee that his son had certain rights that only “proof” of being born in Kenya would have provided.
4- It seems clear that either the birth announcement or the Kenyan birth certificate is fake. Will be very interesting to find out which, regardless of your politics!
Perhaps pundits Patrick McKinnon, Follow the Constiitution, Wong Kim Ark and OCReader could see if they can find any common ground among themselves on the definition of “natural born citizen”, quoting the exact language from the relevant legal documents.
Congress has looked the other way and not done their constitutional duty of qualifying Obama when he was the President Elect as per article 20 section 3 of the constitution. They need to be voted out for not defending our national security and doing their job.
This case needs to be heard on the merits of the evidence to be presented and finally it may happen. We know Obama was a Kenyan citizen by the fact that was passed on by his Kenyan father under Kenyan law and at 21 yrs he would have 2 more yrs to accept or renounce that citizenship which we don’t know if he did one way or the other besides all cases for a “natural born citizen’ have mentioned the fact that both parents must have been citizens. McCain was not the President elect but he was vetted by the Senate and declared a natural born citizen about 6 months before the last elections because he has both parents as U.S. citizens while born in U.S. territory and of course Kenya was never U.s. territory.
Barack Hussein Obama Jr. is not the President of the United States. He is not eligible under the US Constitution because he is not a natural born citizen.
The sooner this fact is adjudicated and Obama is removed from office, the less damage will have to be repaired. Every day that goes by with Obama usurping the office, more damage is being done.
The issue of presidential succession will be complicated. The Obama/Biden ticket will have been invalid, so Joe Biden will not be able to succeed Obama. Nancy Pelosi signed legal documents swearing to Obama’s eligibility. This is fraud and will make Pelosi ineligible to succed Obama. All of Obama’s cabinet appointments will be invalid, so none of them will be able to takeover as President. This leaves Senator Robert Byrd, the President Pro Tempore of the Senate, as the only person who can become acting President until a special election can be held.
All bills signed into law by Obama will be void. All executive orders will be void. All appointments, including Sonya Sotomayer, will be void.
Obama and the Democratic party have created a situation that will lead us to the brink of destruction as a country.
Wong Kim Ark, the excerpt you referenced appears to discuss “who is a citizen” instead of ‘who is a natural born citizen’. Its reference to ‘natural born citizen’ appears as one of a variety of arguments and was used to show that those born in a nation (referencing the United States and England) could use the fact of their birth to qualify as ’subjects’ or ‘citizens’.
The phrase ‘natural born citizen’ (as opposed to a ‘citizen’, ‘born citizen’, or ‘citizen by birth’) carries with it not only that a person’s citizenship can occur by birth; it also includes, because it was an idiomatic expression, a specialized scenario of birth wherein nature itself would rule out any question regarding one’s citizenship, as questions ‘naturally’ arise when one or both parents were not citizens of the country wherein the child in question was born.
The immediate context of the Constitution in this discussion distinguishes ‘citizenship’ from ‘natural born citizenship’ and also distinguishes that the latter set of criteria was less exclusive than the former because the Federal government would itself soon be born, having many leaders with parents born in and still citizens of England: “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption….” Therefore, looking at the text straightforwardly provided and, within a span of only four words, the Constitution itself adds clarity and distinction to the meaning of both phrases.
As you demonstrated by the excerpt you provided, the nations referenced would accept citizenship based on location of birth; therefore, the idea of citizenship by birth was not necessarily a question and the Constitution’s phrase, “or a Citizen of the United States,” did not raise concern about how that citizenship occurred. Again, as your excerpt showed, one could become a citizen by birth or by naturalization and either was good enough for those interested in the US Presidency until the adoption of the Constitution. In contrast, to avoid questions of meaning, a different phrase expressed a more stringent requirement for those who would intend to hold the US Presidency after the Constitution were to be adopted. Interestingly, there are necessarily many more questions about what would define a citizen (because of the wide variety of circumstances and conflicting claims of citizenship with other nations within the same family) and few regarding what would be a higher criterion, a ‘natural born citizen’.
“At common law, with the nomenclature of which the Framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents.” And here is the difference: “As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts” (Supreme Court in 1874 Minor v. Happersett).
Still, the most prominent disqualifier for Obama, and one which brings with it severe criminal implications for Barack himself as well as those Electors who entered their votes on behalf of voting citizens, is that Barack could read the Constitution as well as anyone and did not, according to the 20th Amendment, 1) qualify himself to one single member of the Electoral College and 2) insisted on usurping the office of Acting President Joe Biden after noon, January 20, 2009, obstructing the Constitutional process of finding a new Presidential candidate who would qualify himself to all members of the Electoral College.
Plainly, as it is the Constitution, neither the Supreme Court nor Congress, that creates and defines the offices of Federal government, there is not nor has there ever been a United States President named Barack Obama and honoring this criminal with such a sacred title is both troubling and offensive to, to name a few groups, members of the military and police who sacrifice their lives and livelihoods upholding their oaths to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States every day since and including January 20, 2009. To date, we have only had 43 Presidents and would have been seeking the 44th, if Barack had not interfered and if Congress and the Supreme Court had followed their oaths as well.
John G. Freeman
Veteran and Member
Commander-in-Chief’s Guard and Escort to the President
Washington, D. C.
1980 – 1983 | Carter and Reagan
obama’s the antichrist
OC Lunatics!! Reading these posts make me sad to be an American.
It warms my heart to see that there are least some OC residents who haven’t completely lost their minds. Don’t get discouraged, we need to keep coming at them with the truth and pointing out their lunacy and hypocrisy.
I’m glad this OC Judge is moving the case forward. Hopefully he can once and for all settle this “birther” nonsense, and the fringe can move onto something else. Hopefully, Kreeps and Taitz will face disbarment in the end. Aren’t there enough lawyers in town?
justsayin,
Are you implying that they who are concerned about the Constitution are “the fringe” and that it is good when only a few care instead of many? If so, then you are saying that you prefer the death of the Constitution and would prefer to reward anyone who could bypass its security measures with the prize of all the power normally belonging to a legitimate U.S. President. Obama-the-hypocrite stated on national TV, “ours is a nation of laws.” Wow! The criminal needs a mirror. Do you agree with him? If so, then why would you support him, since he implies that it is good that our nation is a nation of laws? This person would rather spend a $million than follow the simple law “to qualify” to the electors and Congress that he was lawfully “eligible” to be a candidate (20th Amendment).
I also have this same question for anyone using the disrespectful label, ‘birther’. By labeling those who are concerned about the longevity of our Constitution (i.e., our nation) as some unusual, weird kind of citizen, calling such persons “fringe” or “birthers” identifies who is on what side of the United States, as it is the Constitution that defines the United States while and because it protects individuals to define themselves. Those you call “birthers” care about preserving that same set of laws that protect you and all citizens; so, what is someone who uses the label, ‘birther’, against another citizen, a ’suicidal domestic enemy’? I hope not.
Please think about what you are saying. You want Kreep and Taitz to be disbarred because they work toward preserving this country and its Constitution and you want all the attorneys who couldn’t care less to be promoted if they quiet Dr. Taitz? Do you understand that you are calling Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, and Thomas Paine ‘birthers’?
Have you read the Constitution regarding this issue and have you actually understood what Obama must necessarily have done in order to have successfully hidden his identification from Congress or are you just imitating what others say because the details are “nonsense?” Don’t wait for MSNBC to report the news on this matter. The media is either too vested or too afraid to call it what it is: The “king” is naked, devoid of any Presidential cloak provided by the Constitution.
John G. Freeman
Escort to the President, Carter and Reagan